Rafferty of NBC’s Songland on Tapping Into Your “Flowstate”

Show Notes

Rafferty is a singer/songwriter who recently got to work with Shane McAnally on NBC’s hit show Songland. Rafferty shares his journey from being a real estate agent to being on Songland, what Flowstate is, and much more.

You can follow me on Instagram – @rafferty

  1. Yes, yes, yes and yes! Thrivetime Nation on today’s show we are interviewing Rafferty who recently appeared on the hit NBC TV show Songland! Welcome onto the Thrivetime Show…how are you sir!?
  2. I realize that your career is heating up now, but I would like to start off at the very beginning. What was your life like growing up and when did you first discover your love of music?
  3. On the show I heard you say that you were a real estate agent. What is more fun, uploading listings to the Multi Listing Systems or writing and performing songs?
  4. How did you hear about Songland and decide to go for it?
    1. Apple Pie by Rafferty
  5. Did you experience any nervousness leading up to the actual show?
  6. How have you supported yourself as an artist up to now?
  7. How and why did you decide to use the specific song you performed?
  8. How would you describe your experience of being on Songland?
    1. Working with these guys has been amazing.
  9. What was it like to work with Shane McAnally?
  10. What was the best advice and coaching that you received from Shane?
    1. You have to get into a flow state whether it is a business deal or a song.
    2. You have to listen to your inner being. It is your inner “ghost”
  11. Today, I’d love for you to share with the listeners about the kinds of projects that you are up to?
  12. If the listeners out there are looking to hire you to perform for their corporation or at an event that they are hosting what is the best way for them to get ahold of you?
    1. You can follow me on Instagram – @rafferty
    2. Everyone has the art inside of them. You have to follow your inner voice
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Audio Transcription

Guest Topic Banner Rafferty Thrivetime Show

Dr Z on today’s show, we have an incredible guest. Incredible. This guy’s name is Rafferty. He’s from the hit NBC show song land. He was on the show and he absolutely put on a laser show performance and he ended up producing a song called, when you fall in love, it was produced by Shane McNally, the unbelievable performance. How do we get these guys? I mean this guy is like cool beyond cool. How do we, and he’s got an app Apple. He realizes he’s on our show. This guy’s had an Apple hit song. Now he’s done so well for himself. I think he thinks he’s on the, maybe the Jimmy Fallon show. Can’t like don’t tell him.

See what if he doesn’t pick up? Oh, he’ll pick up bass. Haven’t been faithful.

Uh, is this Rafferty? Uh, this is the Jimmy Fallon show.

Thank you. Thank you so much. I’m great. Thank you so much for having

Yes, yes, yes and yes. Thrive nation. On today’s show, we are interviewing a [inaudible] guest who recently appeared on the NBC hit TV show song land, and he did well. He dominated some songs. He was calm. Cameron, welcome onto the thrive time show. How are you sir?

Thank you. Thank you so much. I’m great. Thank you so much for having me.

I gotta ask you, man, you seem so calm and cool and collected. When you were singing on that show, was it, was it nerve-wracking getting up on that show?

You know it. It is and it was, but the second, it’s funny when you have enough training and you’re saying for long time like I’m more comfortable on the mic than I was. Even when I up to the mic. As soon as I start singing, the comfort levels completely change, but everything, all the momentum, all the work, all the lights, and they snap. All right. That’s, that’s pretty nerve-wracking.

Okay. Cameron, your career to date, is that the high watermark, was that the most nervous you’ve been or was there a moment you can remember that you’re like even more nervous than that?

What was, what was weird was I was extremely nervous on the second song, the second rendition of the original song that I’ve, uh, because um, you know, we didn’t have a

chance to even rehearse them with the, and 20 minutes was working one, I was in a corner. I mean, talking to the ghost of Frank Sinatra.


Just pray, just please use lines.

Make me not just like, not destroyed in a good way, but make me not just completely ruined this and just bought it. And um, but, but, and it was, I was terrified before I walk up to the, uh, the Mike the second time. But it’s interesting. So when you, when you’re performing the song you just wrote, it kind of opens you up and then, you know, you rewrite the song into a whole new song, it opens you up as well. And then you got to go on the next day and perform now on national television without any rehearsal for the band. It was a pretty, it wasn’t just seeming a cover song. It was like singing a part of your, like people seeing you essentially worse than naked.

That sounds like a scene out of a movie, you know? Right. I mean, I was kinda like, okay guys on in the court of C follow me. Ryder was like, okay, here we go without a rehearsal. I would like to ask you this because your career is starting to heat up now and you’re, you’ve obviously been putting in thousands of hours, but could you share with us when you first discovered your love of music and what your life was like growing up? I mean, when did you first discover that, Hey, I love music?

Well, you know, I was an only child growing up, so music was kind of a feedback loop for me. And, uh, I didn’t have a lot of friends growing up, so I thought that, I think deep in my subconscious, I, I dreamed of becoming somebody more than myself. Um, so I think I was, I wasn’t okay. Jock, you know, I played, I’m six foot five. Um, I was pretty good at football and basketball, but I was never in like college or and be able to like not like called but like big time, college material. And um, I think I realized that early on and I thought, well because that kind of a deep insecurity of just being kind of a kid and being only in school that if I become a senior, I don’t have friends. And I remember getting on stage and uh, I was about 12 or 13 for the, uh, school, you know, talent show. And I remember I was singing and uh, I quit basketball. It said start a band and all the jocks in the front would bully me, like everyone kind of into Lake city where I was from. And it was really cool to be a jock back then. It was not cool to be in a band and so they all kind of moved me upstairs

in salt Lake. They moved to, they booed you in salt Lake.

I’m from salt Lake. Yeah,

I know a lot of people from salt Lake, a good Mormon country up there. Where you Mormon?

No, my, my mom was, my dad’s actually Persian for me. Remember money and um, yeah, I know I wasn’t raised more than she, she uh, she actually left the Mormon church when she was about 21 after going to BYU. So, so no. My what, why did my family is though.

I was going to Savage if you’d seen very few Mormons that BU prolifically Z. I’m going to have to DAV a tab talking to some of my Mormon friends there about the Mormon and a boon and salt Lake city’s here. We’re going to have to have some, there will be some repercussions here. Now we’re going to have to have a cut book. If I have a conversation with some folks, I’m telling you that right now. Cameron, I want to ask you this because um, you’ve had to support yourself, uh, and being a musician, I know people might think the contrary, but until you get your first big hit and then your second big hit until you start getting some wins. I’m getting some rights with some bigger artists, you have to find a way to survive. And so, you know, a lot of times people maybe look great on stage, but earning an income can be tough. How have you supported yourself, my friend? What would you have been doing now? How have you gone from a to B as you’ve been focusing on your career? What kind of jobs have you had on the side?

So I went to USC, uh, in LA for school. Uh, I graduated and um, I sold uniforms in Texas for awhile, kind of in, you know, in Bastrop and look range and kind of Austin area. And then I went into real estate. I, there’s a part of me that says [inaudible] I want to get into music then cause I stay in college. And so I learned real Sydney, made a lot of money selling shopping centers in Newport beach. And then one day I basically said I’m done. I told my boss quit and I took the money that I made and that lasted me for the next year or two while I was struggling. Toying with my trunk around the country to like just smaller cities, truck stops, trying to learn what America was really about outside of Newport beach, California. And it was incredible. And I was out for months and months at a time and sometimes sleeping in my truck, but I was just, I’d had enough of the glitz and the glamour and the BS, so to speak, um, where I was at.

So, you know, I’ve read, you know, about Jack, Carol Black and Johnny Cash and everybody, and I wanted to live that life. So when I got back, I still had a little bit of money left and I just kind of wrote for random TV shows here and there. And, um, I maxed out my credit cards, um, and I was just able to scrape, uh, for a few years. And, um, one day I had this song that was just, uh, my dad wanted me. He’s like, this is great. And I was in, I was pretty much broke and he said, you should record this song. This song, long story short became the most used song in Apple’s history of any product rollout it.

Wow. Congratulations

for the iPhone six ass, literally lottery ticket out of nowhere.

And what do you, is this song called the listeners right now are scrambling to Google search this? What’s the song called?

It’s called Apple pie. It’s by Rafferty song’s called the Apple pie and basically became the most just song ever. So the ghost of Steve jobs, uh, anointed me and we had like 12, or I think we had 12 commercials internationally and 12 domestically and all of a sudden I was touring all over the world, but the United States hadn’t, you know, you asked, nobody in the U S really knew

other than those in the truck stops. Right? Yeah.

So, um, so yeah, so basically that was about three years ago and then that gave me, I mean it was a blessing because it gave me the, uh, money to be able to last until songline and then pretty soon you’re coming up and I can’t say yet, I’m on a huge show, um, coming up, I believe towards the end of this year or starting a Baxter and songline gave me that, um, that leg up, I guess you could say or that opportunity. So it’s been a really weird ride trying to stay financially, um, financially there, but when it hit it,

so, so Cameron, walk us through that. Okay. So you, you did your song Apple pie and, and you just put it out. I mean, how did you, do you release it obviously? Was it a self-release and you just put it on and can I extend it to us on how that happens? Cause all of a sudden I was sitting, you get a call that Apple wants to use it. I mean, how did walk us through that process? Cause I’m curious.

So basically the way it works is this. Um, I wrote it under the Hollywood sign and home, so the Hollywood sign because I was kind of going crazy at one point, running out of money and, uh, I was uh, just cranking out songs, cranking out songs. I don’t know, I was in the flow. It was very creepy house. There’s a lot of history. My landlord, uh, basically hung himself.

Oh Lord.

So and so people started dying around me and then like my cousin died of brain cancer and then the girl Finland, it literally was a movie.

Hmm. Wow. I was

really depressed. I didn’t talk to my dad for a few weeks. And when I was sad I was just sending the friends of mine like songs just because I was bored or whatever. And my dad shows up and receipt in California and he’s like, to my place, I didn’t, I didn’t tell him I wasn’t, he’s like, what’s going on with the deal? And they went to brunch and he said, you sent me the summary that it’s really good. Listen, I’ll lend you some money, do this song, just do it. Give this music business and another six months before he moved back to salt Lake and get Kim a real estate agent. And, um, I go in the studio, he gives me a couple grand pay band, paid for the studio, all that stuff. And um, I sent him a buddy of that was working at NBC.

Lo and behold, it got fired from NBC and left and got hired at Apple in Cupertino. Takes a song. Nobody liked it at NBC, just for a buddy. He goes, no, just drop it. The Apple, whatever Dropbox of thousands of songs that we can or consider for Apple commercials. Well, lo and behold, as I’m getting ready to become a real estate agent, yeah. And back in Utah, you know, year, probably year and four months later I get a contract from my music lawyer saying, Hey, whatever, this is, sign it. Now I look at the contract, Oh, it’s from Apple. Great. This will never happen. Then on the second, second number on my bucket list was get an Apple deal. This is, I’ve had this for 15 years. I’d sit down [inaudible] kit. That’s awesome. Um, the, all of a sudden Wharton, I get, I’m surfing in San Diego, I get out of the water one day and I have a video for my buddy Scott. And he says, Hey, congratulations. And it’s Tim cook with the iPhone six S which was their most popular phones per capita in the last few years. And my son was [inaudible] playing on stage behind him, losing my mind

and all of a sudden one commercial turns into three, turns into six, nine to 12. And I was pulling in South America and pouring it out and pouring through, you know, Norway and Spain, everything nobody knows about me. And, and so my friends are like, what are you doing? I said it, my life just took off at that point. And so it was literally a fluke of a fluke because the Apple people had a thousand a thousand songs. They narrowed it down to like 10 and then they narrowed it down to two man Carver guy. And then this is the story. They come in, they saw some YouTube video with a ball in the dog’s mouth. I’m like, the ball fits the mouth. And they’re like, well if the ball sits across Apple, let’s just use Apple pie. And it became a commercial style. So that was exactly how it happens. Sorry for the loan.

No, this is great. And you know a lot of our listeners want to know about the mechanics. So one of my clients is a Colton Dixon. He was signed to Atlantic records and I know a lot of people want to be the next artist signed to Atlantic or Interscope for these different labels. How do you act? I’m not asking for you to tell us how much money you’ve made, but how do you get paid? Like cause it every time it’s played you’re making a dime. Is it making a penny? Do you make a dollar? How does that, does that work? I think listeners want to know,

check this out. Every time you get your song played on Spotify, you get half a penny from the Apple deal. I made well over seven figures. So are you going to take a penny and trust the algorithm or are you going to contact the people that actually make the decision of what songs to use and the licensing route? I love the licensing route because streaming son’s gaming makes no money because the way the wise has been set in the United States and the way Spotify is, you know, the, that the way they’ve

dealt with Ava, nobody gets really paid now is half a penny. Uh, not a lot. Yes, it’s normal, but then you add 40 million hits and your assault, then you didn’t pay some money. So if you’re struggling, it’s tangible. But if you’re doing well, you know, economies of scale at the data. That’s the kind of mechanics of how it works. The licensing is a very different game

now I’m Ross. Golan is a songwriter who’s really at the forefront of changing the way artists specifically of songwriters get compensated. I’ve had Ross on the show before. We’ve had Emily Warren on the show. We’ve had some really neat guests

by the way, by the way, Ross and I were in the same fraternity together. Us

get out of here. Wow. So how old are you? How old are you?

I’m 37.

Okay. So I’m, I’m 38, almost 39. Uh, I went to college, oral Roberts university right across the hallway from me was a gentleman who also knows Ross very well. But the name of Ryan Tedder. Do you know Ryan Tedder

running Senator [inaudible]?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, outside of being on the show, I mean, have you connected with him before that show at all? Or

lots of names to what? To him?

Yeah. Yeah, there we go. Okay. So small world. So talk to me now, now that you’re on the song land show, the, the, the Ryan Tedder show, you know, the show, the show with Shane and tell, tell me about what was it like being on the show and getting feedback from judges who are credited with writing so many hit songs.

Well, you know, Ryan, it’s funny cause Ryan, uh, you know, I’ve, I’ve grown up listening to Ryan all the time and, and Ryan where I kind of have like a, this weird brotherly vibe or where we were in total competition during the show because Ryan was my producer and Shane was my achievements, my older brother. So it was funny how there was a lot of loving competition with all of us. So it was so much fun. You know, I think that like Dean Ryan and Shane, I wasn’t around Esther that much because I don’t know why she was working the whole time. But being around Ryan and Shane, something about these guys, I don’t know if they’re just connected into this weird ether or interesting magically come up with dope stuff and just incredible stuff. I don’t have that within them. Like maybe when I seen her steal it or I can trace it, but something about Ryan and Shane, they’re like, Oh yeah, just do this and boom, just do this. And watching those two, it, I just, I’m jealous. I’m honestly jealous of how good they are. I wish I could be that.

Give me, give me a few, cause we, uh, dr Z and I have tried, we tried to get on a song land and V we email back this and take you for your inquiry. I don’t even think they said that. No, they didn’t. We don’t inquire again. They sent the email to one of our show sponsors, Josh, Josh with living water irrigation. How are sir, Oh my, my muting you, Josh Paso. Passive aggressive. Josh in my meeting. You were at the, you were, my wife would love that bud. Anyways, so Josh has told us, stop sending the email. But the point is, so we’re sending the a we want to be on site, but we couldn’t we get on this show for prayers? We’re not yet. Not yet. Not yet. But our guest has been on the show. You’ve been on the show. Talk to me about some of the best advice you received on the show or maybe maybe some things that happened behind the scenes that you’re allowed to share. I just kind of, the kind of tips you’re getting.

Well, here’s what really happened. Um, Rosie was the winner of the show, but, um, when, when we take live, uh, Leona basically had me, is also the winner. She wanted to cut my song and have me go on tour with her. Um, so up until the day of the release, it was me and Rosie that were the two winners. Um, what happened was I went on tour with Leona and for some reason we only decided not to cut the song. And so, uh, the executive producer, Chad Heinz called me the day, I really appreciate, he called me. I was really awesome for him. He basically said, Hey man, we own decided not to shoot to your song. We had to cut you out of the very end. So, so my family and everyone and my mom, my dad will, everyone like knew that like, you know, I, I probably wanted to get us to always so excited about showing them the show. So, so basically I was cut out of the, of the end of the show because for some, for some reason I’m wanting to join and I was pretty devastated, you know, because I’m, I went through a lot and I followed her, I traveled with her on tour and it was like, it was rough. So basically, um, that was, that was the hardest part of the show. And that was the biggest thing to Adeline. The scenes that really, uh, was really rough.

Would you be, would you, here’s the deal. I, I think the, I have a theory as to why I have, I have a theory as to why you weren’t allowed to be the winner. And I think it’s because you’re too beautiful. She’s too tall and you seem to, well, and you’re too tall. He’s too tall. I did six, five,

dr C, I thought dr C was the one that was a beautiful warn here.

No, gosh, no, I don’t have this beauty in his cash and had that Persian sexiness about me. I’m not six, five. I can’t dunk the ball. I mean, come on. Really what I would like to do if it’s a little mini trampolines at Duncan, come on. I want to play a little. I want to, I want to tell, I want to do like, I want to hop on the trampoline and take the show to another level. There we go. I want to play a little snippet of you singing a song on your YouTube channel. I’m going to the Rafferty YouTube channel. I’m going here, I’m going to play a little snippet and then I would love for you to share with us about what the future holds because a lot of our listeners want to connect with you. They want to learn more about you. They want to, so I’m going to play a little snippet there, a senior Rafferty. I’m going to play it and I’d like for you to kind of break it down and tell us what your future looks like. So let me, let me queue it up here. Let me put this place. All right.

Here we go. Come on now. That’s in your key. Dr Z that




He’s like a taller Elvis. I mean he’s like a sexier Elvis and Elvis, you know, Jason, it needs more cowbell. Cowbell always helps. Everything

stuff is so great. We do YouTube channel and just look at it. We could, we could, we could look at a lot of your different songs. Is there a specific song that you’re working on right now that you just put up on YouTube or do you think our listeners should check out? Because I am right, I got the hot keys. I’m ready to check out. Just a little snippets because our listeners that can’t handle just a snippet, they want to hear the whole thing. They want the whole thing.

Well, the song that I seen on soul and the original song, um, it’s been extremely popular. I mean all the cars, every other car, it is when you get to really see, I had no idea how many people would be reaching out to me after siren. I just went, I was going on some show and content, you know, there’s not a lot, but not a lot of watches out there. But the song that I’m going to leave her heart full of love and that’s basically the one that I performed first on silent. So that’s going to be coming out in the next few weeks or so. But then nothing, nothing really yet other than the style that I, just, the main song that we use for songs, that one was released like a couple weeks ago.

Can I add, I would like to ask you some Oh, progressively weird questions now. Now that we’ve established that we are a little bit off center three, I want to go into their weird zone. Um, from a nonreligious perspective, maybe it’s religious because religion, a lot of times people, you know, everyone’s got their own worldview here and here we go. Um, I when I, I have spent time in college with Ryan Tedder, um, uh, quite a bit there in college and, um, watching him, I really do believe he has a sixth sense. And when you listen to the, and the writer, his podcast with bras Golan or you listen to an interview with Ryan Tedder, you guys are selling air. I mean, think about this. You’re, it’s not tangible but yet it can impact the mood of people. So if you play like a certain key, uh, mr senior Rafferty, if you hit a certain key it like it can make you scared in a movie and you play another key.

It can make you feel up lifted. Like if you’re watching the end scene of Braveheart, if you’re watching a watching a Hans Zimmer or a John John Williams composition, it can make an impact the way you feel, which is crazy cause I’m not even scared I could watch a movie. I did this one time in college, I took a video of our dorm room, put it in slow with scary music and we were scared. We’re like let’s go. I’m serious. It can make it that way. Can you talk to me about the spiritual element of music and what you think it is because you’re writing it and I think a sealer Lafferty, this is an incredible gift you have. And I just want to hear if you could maybe describe what it is or your process for writing it. Cause it blows my mind.

Well, so this is what I believe about this. And I don’t know, and I just throwing this out there, you know, this is what I realized. It was like a ghost or like a spirit that goes into certain people for a certain period of time to get the work done and then it leaves when it’s time. But I feel the people like Ryan, I mean like, and I mean Ross, all these, all these guys, I mean, it doesn’t matter who it is. Like you can, there’s a weird ghost that people have. Um, but I think that for all of us, it’s hard for us to maintain the rest of our, it’s hard for us to maintain our lives like a normal person because that ghost is always pulling on the wires in your brain to sing or to produce or to ride or to play or to, or to whatever, whatever art form it is to do business too.

It doesn’t matter. But I think that that there’s this weird thing that happens to people when you can just talk into, I think, I mean I think Ryan said for certain Ross all Hobbit, um, I don’t know if I have it cause I like to just listen to the song and sing it and maybe it feels, maybe it’s just I translate it I guess in a certain way. But these guys have the ability to create beautiful music and, and I don’t know, I can’t figure it out if it’s a spiritual or religious or whatever it is. But I’ve had talks with a lot of the big, you know, seniors and celebrities about this thing and like I think it’s a ghost. I think if you let it kind of take over your body, it stays there for as long as it needs and then it floats away when you’re done.

And for, we have a lot of listeners out there that are Christians, a lot of listeners that are not, but if you look into positive psychology, there’s a thing called flow state where it’s like a mental state or the operation in which a person is performing an activity and they’re fully immersed in a feeling of the energized focus. They lose a track of space and time while doing it. A Rafferty, a Josh [inaudible] with living water irrigation here. He sort of a is in his flow state when he’s digging ditches and installing irrigation systems. I’m just messing with you. But Josh, seriously, when you’re, when you, when you’re growing a living water and you’re working, do you, do you feel like that or are you kinda like in fully emerged or is there, or is there an activity like golf or some activity where you feel like that too?

Oh, I wish I could say golf, but, no, but I, yeah, when I’m out with the guys, when we’re out working, when we’re out doing sales and then doing what we do, definitely feel like we can get in that flow.

Uh, I definitely can’t say I can get in the flow, like Rafferty. Uh, even in the shower I get a lot of please shut up and stop singing. So I can’t sack and flow that well. Wrap up.

I just think about this, about this. When you’re doing a deal and you’re flowing, doing the deal, sometimes you don’t even remember what happened when she closed the DLR or help somebody out. I mean, that’s, that’s the same thing as what we do. It’s just a different version, not maybe musical, but it’s just a different way of doing the deal. Right.

Oh, that’s a great perspective on it. Yeah. I love that. And I love this and the fact, Cameron, that you put it across all genres. I mean, it’s truly not just writing music, it’s doing the business deal. It’s, it’s dealing with people. It’s, it’s every genre of life. And that is, you know, hitting that, listening to that inner voice inside you that you know is directing you in the right direction and you just know that in your core that’s the right direction. Other people may not view that as a right direction, but you know it’s the right direction. And just like your dad came out to California and said, Hey son, I believe in you and I’m going to put my money behind you and, and go chase that inner voice and go chase that inner dream of yours. And I loved that. I loved that moment. I love this show. I love, I love, can we, can we all hold hands and just sing koombaya right now? Can we make some smores and just, I mean, yeah, well he’s definitely leading the songs. I’ll start with the cowbell. We’ll say way back here.

Yeah, the keys, my car keys and my Kia is, he’s in the queue devotee.

No, but that’s so profound. I love that. And that is whatever lane you’re, you’re is your lane is. Listen to that inner voice. Listen, that inner it is, you said ghost, but listen to that inner being and yes

I’m going to do here over these shows, know a lot of these TV shows, it’s great, but they do a lot of editing and they don’t give a person maybe sometimes the floor to share a message or to share an ask, like a real like, Hey, please do this for me. Right? You’re an artist who’s, who’s putting in the grind and we want to help you. We want to see you do well. I’m Rafferty. What’s a, a message you want to share with our listeners, listeners or an ask or a place you want them to learn more about you and just anything you want to share with our listeners to floor is yours.

Um, well first you can reach out to me on Instagram. That’s app Rafferty, R a F, F, E R T one. And I respond to everybody through voice. So basically like I’m not really good texted and I’m always driving and I’m always on the move. So it’s easier on the capitalists on by voice of people, but I respond to everybody. Yeah, it’s taken me pretty late in my career to really make things happening in my life. I mean, I’m 37 years old, so it’s, it’s, um, the thing I like to share with people is like, I don’t think it’s ever too late to change jobs or to do that deal or to, or you know, or to get into music or whatever it is. Like the point is that like, it’s making it in music business or getting as far as I have is, is such a fluke and it’s just because I wake up every day and I hated art. But I think anybody, it doesn’t matter where your singer or whatever, I like entertainment. Music is no, it’s just fake and it’s not that cool and it’s a lot of hard work, but just because somebody is out, you know, doing the deals, going door to door or, or digging irrigation ditches or whatever it is, like everybody has that art within them and that ghost is always, it doesn’t matter where it is. I think it only stays for the people that never give up. And, and um, I don’t know. I don’t mean to be preaching.

No, no, no. I want you to be preachy and weird because people need to hear this. This is a little bit more than what most people hear. Therefore, it’s maybe a little less safe, but it’s real. And I think this is, this is powerful, and if you’re, it’s E Z, this is, this is, I’m practicing some a Trump apotheosis. Okay, so if we had president Trump on the show, he would say something like, I’m not saying you’re a bad person. If you don’t check out Rafferty on social media, I’m not going to go as far as to say, well, of course, some closest to me, some top financial advisors have told me that one should go check out Rafferty online if you care about yourself. If you do, I’m not going to say that. I would never go that far. No, no. But I have people around me that might say the closest people even right now are saying no. I’m saying, Whoa, Whoa. I can’t go that far. I’m not going to say check out Rafferty, Rafferty. I wouldn’t say it a third time check out Rafford. Right.


Is it pretty good at Rafferty on Instagram and that love that though? He answers everything. I love that. I love it. I love that. I love it. I love that. Do you know what? Darn the day when he doesn’t have it, he’s got so many Kenny and Trump’s, I mean right now, you know, darn day when he has the changes, it’s cell phone number. Cause you know it happens. I mean, so you’re going to become so famous and you’re on trajectory and you know what? I love the fact that you’ve built your character. Now you’re 37, you’re getting ready to rock and roll this thing. You know, I, I love that it’s better than being 17 and not, and not being able to handle it. I feel like you’ve gone through some of the fires of life, you know, that have tempered you. And so now just, I feel, I don’t really know you that well, but I feel like, I feel like I do. And uh, I know we’ve, we’ve had a breakthrough. We’ve had a breakthrough, right? Wasn’t a breakthrough. I think it’s, the tension has been broken. And so I, I liked that about that. The guys that are the hard-hitting, they’ve put the time in grinded, have done the stuff that they need to do, become tempered in life, and now you get that success and you can handle it. You’re not going to go crazy. I’m like, so many of the teenagers do that. Get the success too early in life so that, you know, boo rah for you

Rafferty. I appreciate you for agreeing to be on the show. Congratulations on your success. Um, I know you can’t share with us the show you’re going to be on, but I’m going to guess real quick

and then you can tell me if it’s the show I’m going to, I’m gonna have three guesses and you tell me, okay, here we go. Full house part three. I’m going to say no. I mean, that’s like a new show called not the Cosby show. Is that called not the Cosby show? It’s got to be, is that the show he said he’s on. I nailed it.

You can come up with that.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Now my final, my final, my final guest. I get three guesses after this Rocky 17

Oh, was there walking 16

Oh, there’s a lot more [inaudible]. There’s a lot more production.

Okay. Then in that case, I’m going to actually try out for Rocky 17 when it comes out cause at that point I’ll probably be that beaten up in this business. So,

and I’m gonna, I’m gonna, I’m gonna throw out three movies that you probably signed for. I know the TV shows and all. That’s one thing, but the movies that I know there are chasing him right now and I know he can’t. He can openly, he can openly acknowledge probably one way or the other because of contractual obligations with his, with his agent. But I’m thinking zoo Lander three is all over. You all as all is all over you gladiator part two. I mean all over you. He looks at, was it gladiator? It’s a fighter.

They were like, Cameron do gladiator park too. And I was just like, you want me to do it? Yeah, I’m in. I would quit everything.

If you’re out there and you’re working on gladiator part two, just let us know. Just let us know. Just let us know. Just send an email to [inaudible] dot com and the final guest, Z [inaudible] Oh, the final guests for a movie would be, um, I’m really, really, really, really, really a good singer. It’s a new movie they’re coming out with

form wise. I’ll be like, listen, everybody, I’m Rafferty. I’m a really, really, really, really, really, really good singer.

And I’m caught. I’m really tall and I’m really good. Looking. Came a dope right. Didn’t, you know, what, can we just humbly submit one thing? I mean, would you not, as you skyrocket and to stardom and fame and fortune, and you own a known Island around the world and you know, all that kind of jazz, well, just don’t forget about us little guys. Okay. That’s fair.

Yeah. But the tallest

Raffertys fair. Thank you so much my friend. We appreciate you for putting up with us and have a great rest of your evening. Thank you buddy. You’re awesome. Go get them. Take care of. And now without any further ed too.


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