Songland’s Max Embers Shares His Journey From Germany to Becoming U.S. Pop Music Song Writer

Show Notes

Max Embers is the songwriter of “Lookin’ Up” who teamed up Ryan Tedder to produce the popular song on the NBC show Songland, which is produced by Adam Levine and Grammy-award singer / song-writer, Ryan Tedder.



  1. Yes, yes, and yes! Max Embers, welcome onto The Thrivetime Show, how are you sir?
  2. Were you taught to speak both English and German growing up?
    1. I grew up only speaking German
    2. I learned English in 5th Grade
    3. At 16, I was an exchange student
    4. I was 5 years old when I started learning music
  3. Max Embers, you grew up in Germany…who was your first favorite pop artist growing up?
    1. My parents listened to Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson
    2. I first discovered pop while I was a teen. I loved Christina Aguilera.
  4. When did you first start playing music?
    1. When I was 5 years old
  5. How did you first hear about Song Land and what was the process like of getting onto the show?
    1. In a matter of 2 weeks, 3 people reached out to me about being on the show
    2. I applied and it just worked out.
    3. They had me send a few songs and multiple songs were in the running.
    4. Before we really started filming, I had no idea I would be on.
  6. Who were you most nervous to sing in front of?
    1. I really admire John Legend and Ryan Tedder but John Legend really made me nervous.
  7. When I attended Oral Roberts University, Ryan Tedder lived right across the hall and was one of the most diligent and hardworking people even at the age of 19-20 years old…what was the best coaching and musical mentorship that you received from Ryan during the show about your song which was first called, “Back Home?”
  8. How would you describe your experience working with Ryan Tedder?
    1. I was really flattered when Ryan said that I sounded better than him on a demo.
    2. We really worked on the song writing rather than vocal coaching
    3. We would go back and forth on the phone and facetime and we would work on lyrics and the song.
  9. Why do people have less of an accent when they sing?
    1. Probably because I have listened to english music and re-enact them. 
  10. Max Embers, What is your writing process?
    1. It depends on the song and who I’m writing with.
  11. How do you support yourself?
    1. I play cover songs at venues at steak houses and bars
  12. Max Embers, Why did you and Ryan decide to change the name to “Lookin’ Up!?”
    1. Back home was chosen by the producers for John Legend.
    2. When Ryan and I were working together, we found that some of the lyrics didn’t work for John Legend so we changed a few of them and made it more of a love song.
    3. It turned into an up tempo love song.
  13. What are your goals for the next 12 months with your music career?
    1. Finishing up my current album.
    2. I will be releasing 12 songs on my album
    3. I am completely independent and don’t have a label
    4. I will hit all of the labels after my first album
    5. I want to quit the day job
  14. Max Embers, Which writer would you love to work with?
    1. Chris Martin
    2. Gerg Wells
    3. Blake Mills
    4. Mark Ranson
    5. Stargate
    6. Frank Ocean
  15. Is there any “Hell Gigs” that you can remember?
    1. Just playing the same songs over and over that are not even my music.
    2. I just remember that I will be at a huge venue singing my songs soon.
  16. Max Embers, What is your dream venue?
    1. The Staples Center
    2. Carnegie Hall
  17. Would you rather be the world’s best performer or songwriter?
    1. Songwriter
      1. It is more important that the songs have a meaning
      2. Songwriting is such an amazing tool to change the world.
  18. What piece of advice would you give to aspiring musicians
    1. “Leap and the net will appear”
      1. You have to jump in and figure it out
      2. We really do only live once and we really do have to make the most of it.
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Xe on today’s show, we’re interviewing a contestant from the hit show song land, a guy by the name of Max embers, and on today’s show you get to ask him how much of an impact did David to have, did David Hasselhoff have on his music career? How much of an impact did David Hasselhoff have on his music career prep, Germany? So he figured that had to be a huge influence in his life. We got a chance to ask him about what it was like to work with Ryan tedder. Yeah, we got a chance to ask him what pop artists have influenced his music the most. We got a chance to ask him how he supports himself as a songwriter in La z. We get into so much good stuff with Max embers. I’m excited for the listeners to hear you. It’s funny, as I mean a few years from now, we’ll look back and we’ll go, hey, we had that guy in our show.

Yes, yes, yes and yes. Dr Z in the House on the show today, we have a man who died, emanated the song land with his performance, the shows that the hit show Song Land Max embers all the way from Germany on the thrive time show Max embers. How are you sir?

I’m doing great. Thank you so much for having me.

Max embers. Your performance on Song Land was awesome. My kids and I were cheering for you. I got to ask you my friend. What was your growing up in Germany who is your favorite pop artist?

Favorite pop artist? I grew up, my parents were listening to the legends like Stevie wonders thing, Michael Jackson and I would like steal their cds a lot of the Times. Just listen to them in my room. But I think when I first discovered pop music in my teenage years, it was like there were these compilation cds, you know, like top of the pops or whatever they’re called. Yeah. And I think I have to admit like my guilty pleasure as a child was Christine Aguilar. I would help them strip them. Yes.

Now you are, you speak when you sing, your voice is just unbelievable. And do you speak, I mean, did you grow up speaking about the German and an English or, or talk to you about that [inaudible]

Yeah, no, I, I grew up only speaking German until I was like 11. And then in school I started petting English. It’s just like in fifth grade, that’s usually when, when you start learning English in Germany. But I’m, I did an exchange year as a high school student in the United States when I was 16, and I think that definitely helped my English.

So when did you first playing music? What age were you?

I would say it was like five years old. I, I, I remember we had a like an upright piano in their living room and I would just play all the time, even when I was just a couple of years old and I must’ve been five when my parents asked me if I wanted to start taking piano lessons and I was all about it. And so we went from there. I did like classical piano all through my childhood

Max embers, Dr z here. I got three hard hitting questions for you. Then I just need to get out there. Our listeners will know about them and, and, and I quite frankly want to know about it too. Okay. How big an influence was David Hasselhoff in your career? Oh, wow. Yeah. That’s gotta be cute. I know.

How big is David Hasselhoff in my career?

Oh yeah. Begin to influence with that. [inaudible] Career. 90% 10 93%. Could you even, can you even give a number to quantify it? Can you,

Whoa. That is one of the most interesting courses.

Okay. Number two. What, what you’re thinking. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. Okay, go ahead.

All the love that I have for David Hasselhoff. I have to say it would still be like 0.5

[Inaudible] I knew German club. David. Hassle number two. Number two. How fast have you driven on the Autobahn and be honest. Yeah.

Ooh, probable. So in kilometers per hour. Probably 180 but that’s, that doesn’t translate to miles. How much does that in miles. 111 is one

111 hundred 11 miles per hour? Yeah, they already got it. We already get translated Mexican versus going to 111 miles pronoun. Hahaha. Just one more tough question. And the third and the third that this one’s going to take all of your private resources, which is the better canine, the Doberman or the rottweiler. Wow. Tough questions. Okay. There we go. That’s it. I mean that’s our audience needed to know those three answers and now they have it. I want to get more into the music stuff here. He know, he knows. We’ve covered the German history, the German heritage. Now we can move on now. Okay. So Max embers, how did you first hear about the song land show and what was it like being on the song land show?

How did I hear about it? It was kind of funny because in a matter of two weeks, I think three different people reached out to me about it. So there was an a and r from the show that reached out to me directly and she said that she had heard me on Instagram and thought I was good for the show. And then at least two other friends of mine and like industry contacts that I had reached out and said, hey, I think if you go to this show, check, check it out and make, see if you want to apply. And so I did. And I don’t know, it just worked out. I didn’t, it was, it was cool because they had me send a couple of my songs. And I think multiple songs were maybe in the, in the running for the show actually. But up until a couple days before we really filmed the first the first day of filming, I didn’t actually know that. I was 100% going to be on this episode. So it was like a great surprise when they finally confirmed that I was going to be singing for John Legend.

Now you came out there and performed a, your your song to John Legend in, in the three different producers and songwriters and who are you most nervous to sing in front of? I’m sure I heard you on the show. You’d have to take a lot of John Legend covers. John Legend is huge. Ryan Ted is huge. I mean, who were you the most nervous to say in front of

This is? So I really admired both telemedicine and Ryan terror before, before I even met them on the show and I would say probably John Legend. He was, he’s just been like a huge inspiration for me as an artist. And getting the chance to, I don’t know, thing for him and pitch us something was incredible about. But with that being said, like I’ve loved one republic. They were huge in Germany. I wasn’t a must have been a teenager when apologize blew up. And ever since. I’ve definitely been a fan. So I think both of them were like making me nervous. But yeah.

Now you got up there and you performed back home, which you later decided to change after working with Ryan to look in looking up. I’ll look it up as is played in our overhead music z is it pretty the listeners who go to EITR and they click on the clay Clark radio, you can hear the songs being streamed there all the time. Cool. Talk to me about why you chose that song and why you guys decided to change the name of the song after you teamed up.

So basically back home was chosen by the, by the show producers for the episode of John Legend. So I didn’t really, I didn’t even know that that was going to be for John Legend. They kind of, it was like a moment of reveal when we were all there and they were like, okay, so this week’s episode is going to be John Legend. And so I didn’t necessarily choose back home for John Legend, but it was, I really thought once I thought about it that it could be really great song for him. Ultimately I think when Ryan and I were working together, we realized that the song that I wrote back home was very much introspective. It was like this emotional mid-tempo song about kind of like, I mean really about me being a 20 something who was trying to figure out what they’re doing with their lives and with our life.

And, and as we were working together, we wanted to make it a little more suitable for John Legend with, he was out in his life, you know, and you can relate to Chrissy and they have kids and he’s one of the biggest artists of our time. So kind of some of the lyrics didn’t really work for him and we wanted to just turn it into more of a love song. Still keeping like the core of the idea that even when things are getting hard, you can, you just like keep looking up to the stars and you pray that things are going to get better. And that’s just a song about never giving up. So that didn’t really change. But I think it turned from being introspective and the temple doll into into an uptempo love song.

Your voice is incredible. It is. I’m serious. I I W I was a, my first company, I don’t, I don’t expect you to, a ton of research on the guy interviewing you, but a DJ was my first company. I started out of my oral Roberts University dorm room while Ryan was across the hall playing pop songs, trying to get his career going. We were on the same floor at oral Roberts and I, I, I am obsessed with music. I probably listened to music at least seven to eight hours a week, you know, new music I’m consuming. I love RNB. Your voice is incredible, man. So I want to ask you, when you went in to sing with Ted or in the studio, what kind of coaching did he give you? What was that interaction like? I wouldn’t say they show you excerpts on the show song land where you can see parts of it, but I’d love to be a fly on the wall. What kind of coaching did you get? What would the conversations look like? What was that like?

I think that was a, I feel like there wasn’t necessarily a lot of coaching when it came to singing per se. I think I was really flattered though when Brian, I sent him my first demo of the new version of the song and he was like, yeah, you sound really awesome on the song. I think he even sat on camera at some point. He’s like, I think you sound better than I, I did on the demo, which would like crazy to hear. We, we mostly, I think mostly worked on the song writing. It wasn’t so much about like how I sang it and she like, he trusted me with how I was going to deliver it, but it was actually a funny moment right before. So we had rewritten the song and right before I went on stage to sing looking up, Ryan came over to me and he was like, you know, you know, I think in the last line of the song, like you should just sing over in the end of it.

And, and like, I’ve, I didn’t know I hadn’t practiced that or anything and he just blurted something out in sun and incredible. And so I went on stage and went ahead with it. But yeah, I feel like most other, the writing process was really awesome. Brian as a busy man has, you know, you know, you’ve lived across the hall from him. He’s a hardworking dude and he was flying to New York City to do something full blown republic right after our first writing session that we had. And so we kind of opted the first session. We had to communicate via facetime and email and we just went back and forth and like fixed up all the lyrics and he gave me a lot of free rein when it came to the lyrics. I kinda met up with my co writer on the song, her name’s Ellen Shamans and we just met up at my house and stayed up until like 3:00 AM we work in, we work in everything that Ryan and I had already come up with. And so throughout the next couple of days I just like emailed him my version and he gave me a couple couple pieces of feedback and we facetimed again. And it ended up being what it is. Now

I’m going to, I’m going to cue up a little audio samples of some of the stuff on your youtube channel. I’m going to cue it up and I’d like for CZI to begin to interrogate you about your musical approach cause he is an optometrist so he can see through the music on Youtube, on your youtube channel. He can see through, through and get to get to the good questions. Okay. Is He? I’m going to cue up 15 seconds. This is a Max. This is a little excerpt of your song line. Vive. You posted this 10 months ago on your youtube channel. This is your youtube channel, right? This is not an impostor. This is not David Hasselhoff’s channel. This is Max embers jacks. That’s a tone of Q and a Max. Okay, here we go. Let me queue it up here. [inaudible]


I’m going to go, I’m going to go 25 six

I don’t know why you wouldn’t. Here we go. You look like a new [inaudible]. Every guy is looking for the right icon. Faithful. Why don’t you bring that for Homo [inaudible] the pressure’s so, cause I’d rather be strangers. Bring it home and then say, I heard you add or co comment. [inaudible] How’s he on the show? Right? Where does the cowbell come in? Is it okay? I’ll go cause you follow me and you’d say close a few too.

Well said. Oh it’s so good. It’s so good. So good and so good. But where do you go? What questions do you have with [inaudible] come here. Or they could make it better as cow bell. Cow Bell in there. There we go. Just a little bit of cow. Cowbell Taco makes every song a little better. Designate falsetto was so good. I want to cry right now. It’s so good.

So we call it thank you

Z. It’s so good. What? Yeah, that always amazes me how someone can talk and they have a, you can tell they have a little of an accent and then they sing. They don’t have an accent. Why is that? I’ve always wondered that. Why is that? Is that, why is their roids and we need David Hasselhoff. I mean, is it, I mean, no,

Why is that? That’s such a good question. I think, I dunno, I even, I think I’ve lost a bit of my accent, but last couple of years, but even five years ago or something, I think I had much less of an accent when I was singing than speaking. And honestly, I have absolutely no idea. Maybe it’s because I’ve listened to English music all my life and it just feels more natural than just speaking it up. I don’t know.

[Inaudible] It always blows my mind when you hear, you hear a song and then they all send, you see like an interview of that artist and they have such a heavy accent. You’re like, how is that the same? Yeah. Cause your accent isn’t that heavy, but yet when you sing, I would never get that. You’re from Germany now. Every now and then, like on [inaudible] you can hear him, you could hear a little bit about his accent coming through on some of the words he says. But you know, for the most part, I mean, I, I wanna, I wanna ask this Max embers, I wanna ask you this. Your songwriting process is what, because I want to know how do you do it? Do you see it on, one of my clients I work with is Colton Dixon, who is signed with, we wrote with them. You did? Okay. So you, you know David Silverstein and Colton was just here in the studio in Tulsa. About a week ago, Z. Oh yeah. So you just said that you, you just sat down to write with Colton. When did you write with Colton?

Coleman. I wrote with a friend of mine, Christina Galligan. Yes. That Danielle Fields actually who also was on song land recently.


And the four of us wrote a song for Colton’s next project. Hopefully if he does, he goes through with it. It was super fun.

Do we, do we have a working title? Do you have a working title? You have a working title for this? A potential song that might not make the album or might make the album. There’s so many cuts going in there, but he, I got to interrogate him about this. This is good.

I don’t know. I don’t know if I’m supposed to,

Okay. Okay. Oh, there we go. Could you draw a picture of it verbally for me? Like it sounds like, could you do that that way when we transcribe it? No, I know.

So it’s a love song. It’s a kind of like, you want to tell someone how much you love them and there’s so much that he could say to that person that it’s gonna take a whole lifetime on more.

Oh, well, I’m going to tell coach, I’m gonna tell Colton I’m gonna say Colton, listen here. [inaudible] Said if you have a soul, you’ll put this on the album. Sure. Some have said. Okay. But seriously. Yeah. What’s your process for writing Max embers? Are you a, you come the lyrics first or you come with that? The music for the melody, I want you to do a melody or the maybe talk to that thing.

It really depends. It really depends on the on the song. I think I definitely come from more of a musical perspective because as you know, I’m from Germany and I think for the first, I don’t know, 15 years of my life or so, I didn’t really pay that much attention to the lyrics. Just because I didn’t understand them for a long time, you know, so and growing up playing classical music, I think the harmony and the melody was my number one priority. But with that being said, like throughout the past 10 years or so, like the lyrics have become super important to me and it really depends. Like sometimes I just had something lyrical that really inspires me and I have some sort of situation in my life that I need to write about. And then I come from, from that angle. I mean it’s just like you can sit down and just like brainstorm, just kind of like stream of consciousness, you know? And then from that

Es lyrics developed [inaudible] with the song line,

It’ll be the music for us. I just sit down at a piano play and whatever it comes to me

With the song line. Did you hear the melody first and then the lyrics come way down the line or do you start with a little piece of oh, tell me about that song particular, how did you, did you get an idea for a melody and then you put lyrics on that skeleton or habits, so curious about your brain?

That, that one definitely I think came more from a musical perspective. And it’s, it’s interesting because, so I wrote it with two friends of mine. Rolos freckly and no, Conrad and we were, we just had a session, wrote the first version of the song, which was completely different. Are you there?

I think we lost him. We’re coming back and we’re coming back.



I do, I heard, I heard the word Nolan and then it cut. Can we start back from Nolan? You were saying you were sitting down to write the song with a friend of yours and then boom, we lost Ya.

Okay. Wrote sat down and with the song with two friends of mine, Rolos freckly and no, our Conrad and we, we kind of came up with the first version of the song, which was completely different when it came to the concept. It was called the lying to yourself and not in the new version, lying, lying, lying to myself. And the whole story of the song was different. And then a year later I just woke up one morning and as I had this epiphany, because I had been in a, I dunno, in and out of a relationship for a very long time and ultimately it occurred to me that I just had to flip the concept and make it up. Like I’m lying to myself if I’m thinking I’m over this, I’m lying to myself. So I kind of called them both and I was like, Hey, we got to get back together and you can rewrite the song cause then finally know what it’s actually about. And so that’s how what it is now came to, came to be.

So now tell us about your future of your career. I think Z and I want to know this is an entrepreneurial show. Then we have Josh, our show sponsor with living water. He’s a, he’s a shameless entrepreneur as well. So we’ve got a lot of business questions now. So here we go. We’re getting into the businessy side of things. When I was building DJ I worked at Applebee’s target and direct TV before building that massive company. I know Ryan was working at Pottery Barn while working for free as an intern at industrial light and magic. How have you been supporting yourself previous to you know, being on the song land a, a show or doing rights with people like Colton Dixon or, yeah. How do you, how do you do, how do you do it? Do you, were you a waiter? Do you, did you perform gigs on the weekends? Talk to me about it.

Yeah, I’m, I’m just playing cover gigs five, six times a week. I, I started in, so I studied in Boston, I studied music in Berkeley, College of music. And then my last year of studying I started playing in a wedding band. Yeah. And when I moved to La, I kind of continued that work. I’m not doing something weddings so much anymore, but playing at steak houses and bars and stuff. I don’t know if you’ve heard of Mastro’s steakhouse. Okay, okay. There

Ryan sang at my wedding, but Ryan Sing at my wedding. That might’ve been his last wedding gig. I don’t know that he was willing to do that anymore. The wedding gigs can be tough. You don’t know the people. I think your, you deejayed my daughters. That was your last wedding. It was. It was. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, so I’m going to play a little bit of a cover of you, of you saying in a car. I’m up. Do you have a play, a sample of, of, of maxing gonna cover here. And then you get to ask Max embers any questions about this cause he, you want, we might want to book up for this year’s Christmas party, should he not epic, famous yet serious. We have a Christmas party with like what, 500 employees or people there? It’s going to be a huge Christmas party. 500 people there. We might be looking for the guy here, but dilemma queued up real quick. Alright. And then you ask him any questions? You know, because we get, we might want to hire him before it becomes super epic. Famous. Here we go here. Yeah. Many people I am.

Who’s I killed.

Here we go.

[Inaudible] Need signs and need signs. Oh Man, he makes me feel like no. Oh Barrios. Oh she doesn’t [inaudible] hey eat up the phone and you know he’s only chronic [inaudible] to Nolan. Man, you have to kick him out again. So you know,

How is he not on the radio every day? That’s my question. Voices smooth like butter z smooth it out. Butter Maestro steakhouse. What does it, is it, you get a lot like all you can eat steak and potatoes or, I mean is that when I was up here the Gig,

Do I get to eat today? Cause that was, yeah.

Does that matter? This is all you can eat steak there. [inaudible] That. Is that part of the deal? Was that like you’re like doing pie or something? I mean, you get something in at the steak house.

Most of them, I mean sometimes sometimes the manager will be like, Hey, let me buy you dinner. But most of the time I, I get the three bread, you know?

Okay. Godly God, I have got a carb load, I got a crush. How much you charge for a Gig right now? How much you’re charging? Yeah, I mean like today, right now, July of 2,400 book right now. Or is it negotiable?

Ooh, that’s, it’s kind of negotiable. I don’t know if I can say it depends on how many things you know, like it depends on where I have to drive, which equipment off the bring, how long they want me to play. So it’s really,

Wow, that’s complicated. So what’s the rate? What’s the range? What’s the range? Nope. Nope.

Contact me, hire me. We’ll, we’ll negotiate something.

So Z, if we go to Max we can find a Max k Max Yup. Check. No, Max embers. I’ve got three more questions for anybody to go fastest to the lightning round. Okay. Three, three, three questions here for you. One, what are the next 12 months of your career look like? Ideally, because I know Ryan worked for so long working for free or work at the pottery barn for income and then working for free and you know, as an intern doing whatever he had to do, working with the likes of Timberland and all these people and you know, growing as my space followers and his, his story to getting finally paid as a musician. It took a long time. What’s your mission? What’s your plan next 12 months if everything comes together through someone who’s listening right now, a Z, we’re going to have the owner of the Houston Rockets on the show here very, very soon. He reached out to us. It looks like we’re going to have Trump tastic a Trump jr on the show. If someone’s listening to this show right now and they’re going, I want to make this kid’s future a reality, what are you looking for in those next 12 months, man, put it out there. Yeah, come on.

Amazing. so next couple of months are going to be me finishing up my current project. I’m working on an album. I have all the songs ready. I’m just like fixing up some production and then rolling out to songs. I’m just going to be releasing. There’s going to be, I think 12 songs on the album a, it’s called the truth as a complicated thing. And I’m currently completely independent. I don’t have a label deal. I don’t have a publishing deal. And I’m okay with that. Like I’m super okay releasing this first project independently. However, I’m probably going to do some sort of fundraising campaign to, you know finance PR and, and playlisting and stuff like that. We’ll see where that goes. But within the next 12 months, I think a label deal, becoming at some point, this can be I’m the for, for the first project, Hey, if anybody hears this and they’re like, wait, we want to work with you on the first album, then please also give me, give me a call.

But I think first album might be independent. Then I want to hit all the label labels and see who might want to be working with me and then continue to release music. I have so much, I have way more than one album worth of music. So I’m just going to continue to release music. I want to, you know, hit the road and go tour a little bit, I think at least on the, in California and maybe on the east coast. Cause I do have some people there I think who would listen in Boston, New York and stuff. So plays for and what else? Quit the quit the day job. You know,

Making a funny, well, you know, we we have Emily Warren coming up on the show here and I think next week we’re interviewing Emily Warren, the songwriter for the Chainsmokers and Sean Mendez and a lot of Dua Lipa, that kind of thing. I think she actually wrote new rules. You just did the cover of there. I’m not trying to paint you into a corner and but you do you have a favorite song writer that you would love to work with or a favorite artists you have kind of a bucket list of artists where you go, I’d love to write with them or to work with them or someone like Emily Warren or do you have a few, a few names of people you want to work with?

For sure. So Chris Martin is one of the Coldplay’s one of my favorite bands. I think at some point in my life I would love to meet him and either write a song with him or just like get lunch stuff for sure. Couple couple of producers that I’d love to work with is Greg wells that I think is incredible. Blake Mills, who actually did all of John Legend’s last album, darkness and light. He’s unbelievable. Mark Ronson stargate, they hit a lot of cold plays. Last album. Mazing frank ocean,

Frank Ocean now z. My, my, my final question I have, then you can one up me and Josh can went up. Me. Okay. So here we go. My final question, here we go. Is it when I was building DJ I did a lot of gigs that I w not a, they weren’t awesome. I’ll call them hell gigs. And my favorite hell Gig was I signed a deal Max. I was super excited. I quit my day jobs working at Applebee’s, target, directv. So I signed up to do a deal for one year at the Holiday Inn select seven days a week. Come on now. And I was excited. I told them I came home, I said, Babe, I signed a deal, $700 a week, every week, guaranteed for year. Unbelievable. She goes, you signed a Gig to run the sound systems for impersonators for seven nights a week for 700 a week. I said, yeah, I quit my day job. And she’s like, what are you doing? What do you have a hell Gig? Looking back at it, not like about the vignette. I know you want to throw a venue under the bus, but can you think of an event where you thought, I can’t wait until my career takes off? I haven’t ever performing at a nursing home on a Sunday at 9:00 AM again, or do you have a specific event that comes to your mind?

An event where robot, where I say ask the question one more time. Sorry.

I guess a, an event where you, you know, it was kind of a less than favorable setting, but you did it anyway because you know you’re, you’re putting in your work right now. Was there a specific venue or a specific show you did where you thought, wow, I cannot wait till I’m done doing these kinds of shows or is every show just a gift to you?

I mean it’s, I love, honestly, I love my day job for what it is because I’m getting to play music and make a living off of it. But at the same time, if you say play the same laboratory over and over and over again the same songs, it’s somebody who’s just like, well, I can’t wait for the day when I can play my own music. And people actually listened because I, there are some amazing gigs where everybody listens, everybody has request and people are really to the IML. There’s definitely also days where just anybody’s doing their own thing, nobody cares and yeah, definitely a lot of those nights I’m like, well, there’s going to be a day when I’m playing a big stage and then the sold out auditorium and I can play my own music and every single person in the room is going to be listening and I can’t wait for that day.

It’s going to happen. It’s going to happen at Max websites. Awesome. I’m sorry, it autoplays on the website here. There we go. Max it’s awesome. It’s awesome. Sorry, sorry to cut you off there. I’m just clicking on the website. They’re checking it out. It’d be a Max embers. You’ve got a couple of going a two part question for 2.1 name of venue. That’s the top of your bucket list that you, that you’re looking forward to UB selling out and playing like a, like what’s one of the top venues that you go, that is the big [inaudible] at the Holiday Inn select until cat. That was, you got to off that. You’ve got to take that one off the list.

[Inaudible] Two. I give it to them. Oh, the big concerts. Staple Center for like the more intimate beautiful venue. Carnegie Hall.

Oh, there it is. It’s going to happen. He put it out there. It’s going to happen. It’s going to happen. Max. Now I wish to asked you to do that. This is a tough question. You’ll probably go, oh, Josh is going off in here. We got the funding. But asking is that if you could be the world’s best songwriter or the world’s best performer? Ooh, which one would you choose? Ooh, Ooh, Ooh,

Ooh. Well it’s that songwriting for sure. Really? Okay. I think that that’s more important me, that my, I mean I’m, I don’t think I’m ever going to be the worst, best performer. I think I’m a good for ceremony. Great performance, but I think it’s more important that the songs have a message and meaning and like, and I think songwriting is such an amazing tool to like change people’s lives, you know? And I think that’s more important to me.

Good answer. I would say this by default though, he’s already the world’s best a hair model. Should he want to be that? He can be like a shampoo commercial. This guy’s hair is incorrect. He’s got great lines. I’m just, I’ve got, I’ve got nothing. Z. I mean, you look at this, if he’s, here’s the enviable look and look at DVC in the pictures behind you. That hair, that hair is like, it’s better than nine oh two one oh oh hair. You know. And I know too, when owes xe, everyone had great hair and that show [inaudible] from Germany is better. And this, this is like young David Hasselhoff mixed with a hair over there. Even better. I don’t think a young Jason Priestley mixed with a young George Michael mixed with a young Mercedes-Benz of hair. Right. But that’s right on. Incredible as a luxury luxury import here. Okay, Josh.

Yeah, it’s great here. It’s great mop. It’s important. Pressive Josh and you’re here with living water, irrigation. You, you believe in strong hair and strong families. What questions do you have? Hey Max embers, two questions for Sir. Thank you so much. Hey, so the first first question is a little selfish and then the second one is for the audience out there. So I’m a 41 year old man with no musical talent whatsoever. Like I can’t play guitar, can’t sing or anything, but if you ever have a need or a desire for somebody to stand in the back and lip sync or maybe just a be your hype guy, like I can get really excited. You let me know. I’m really easy to get ahold of. I’m available to go on tour, California International, whatever you need, just letting you know that Max, if you ever need that.

I love it. Yes. I get to lead you the side to side with the arms tucked in though. That’s all I got. I got to say. Well, we do a dance contest every year at our Christmas party. And DrZ has one every year for years in a row now. And last year at the age of 53 he goes down and does the one legged splits, John Travolta style. Unbelievable repertoire for that by the way. And then the other question is a saw, I’m glad I got a good solid yes out of that Max, I’ll be expecting your people to give us a call, we’ll call your people. And then the other question for all the listeners out there that are aspiring that, or they’re striving that are want to be musicians, wants to be singers, want to be songwriters, what a piece of advice would you give to them, sir?

I recently read this quote that I think is currently really inspiring me and I’m still trying to implement it in my life more than I have. But I’ve at the quote leap and the net will appear. And I think it’s so true in life. You just gotta, you just gotta go for your dreams and you gotta sometimes you guys jumped into cold water and just figure it out. You know, if you have to, not to say that you have to like throw away everything you’ve ever had, but like for me right now it’s like take a risk, like quit the day job if you want to. I don’t know, even if that means financial stressful a couple of months, but like live it up and go for your teams because as Cliche as it sounds, but we do only live once and we have to make the most of it.

I love that. Max. Max, you’re a website Max, We can find your newest release here the way I see you now out now everyone can go out there and check it out today. Would you prefer everybody go check out your website, you want to go learn more about you on youtube or Instagram or what’s the best way? What is the recommended Max embers prescribed way for our listeners to learn more about the doctor of songwriting Max Embers?

I’d say definitely, I mean certainly check out my website. I def I need to be better at updating it. With that being said, there’s, there’s actually a song that I released after the rescue now called honest mistake that’s like the most recent single definitely encourage everybody to go check it out on whichever platform you like to listen to music too. But Instagram is the most updated platform. So Knox, embers, music. I usually post about what I release my, my live shows and everything. So that’s probably the best spot.

Max, thank you for taking time out of your schedule. Thank you for entertaining my wife and kids and I with your performance on Song Land. I just, I fulfill your passion, Love Your Voice, cannot wait to hear more of it. And I’m not sure how much of the money goes to you when I licensed [email protected] from my offices. But I hope that you can quit your day job as soon as possible cause it’s worth every penny that we’re put, that we’re paying each when we pay like 1000 bucks a month to air the Mito music for all the different stores. And I can’t wait for your career to take off and to be as financially fruitful as possible because you have a great voice and a great message.

Thank you so much my friend. Thanks for having me.

You take care.

Now see we like to end each and every show with a boom. But before we do that are does it fun? Isn’t it funny that you have in these songwriters on there, these singers, these people with these angelic voices? Hey, it really is fun. I tell you what, and this, this show song lands great kind of blowing up. It’s kind of cool. It’s a hit factory z tape. What are you going to be on it? Ah, well whenever they feature a cow bell artists that struggle with the time and space continuum, rhythm and harmony. Wow, that’s going to be a show here pretty soon. Very soon when they say, yeah, we’re looking for artists that really can’t find a melody, a rhythm check, a harmony check with no real grasp of music. Check next tomorrow’s phone lines. Who could write some edgy, like semi rap kind of stuff? Yeah. That’s what I’m going to be on. I’m the perfect unplanned seat. Wow. Your Plan Z. Any further ado? Three, two, one, boom.


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