Why Einstein Thought Formal Education Was Mostly a Waste of Time – A Knowledge Bomb

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Why Einstein Thought Formal Education Was Mostly a Waste of Time| The Importance of Gaining Skills That Pay the Bills

Our culture values a formal education, yet our economic system values a practical education that provides you with the actual skills that have the ability to pay the bills. Tune in as Clay breaks down what Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Napoleon Hill, Steve Jobs, and other titans of business thought about the value of formal education.

NOTABLE QUOTABLE – “An educated man is not, necessarily, one who has an abundance of general or specialized knowledge. An educated man is one who has so developed the faculties of his mind that he may acquire anything he wants, or its equivalent, without violating the rights of others.” – Napoleon Hill (The best-selling author of Think and Grow Rich)

Things you need to learn that they do not teach you in school:

  1. Sales
  2. Time management
  3. People management
  4. Spot and deal with manipulation
  5. Basic accounting
  6. Stoic mindset and controlling your emotions
  7. Search engine optimization
  8. Advertising
  9. Branding
  10. Public relations
  11. How to push through the crucible

NOTABLE QUOTABLE – “You don’t have to agree with trump but the mob can’t make me not love him. We are both dragon energy. He is my brother. I love everyone. I don’t agree with everything anyone does. That’s what makes us individuals. And we have the right to independent thought.” – Kanye West

NOTABLE QUOTABLE – “Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school.” – Albert Einstein (A german-born theoretical physicist who developed the theory of relativity, one of the two pillars of modern physics (alongside quantum mechanics.)

NOTABLE QUOTABLE – “With no clear picture of how you wish your life to be, how on earth are you going to live it? What is your Primary Aim? Where is the script to make your dreams come true? What is the first step to take and how do you measure your progress? How far have you gone and how close are you to getting to your goals?” – Michael Gerber (The best-selling author of The E-Myth Revisited book series)

NOTABLE QUOTABLE – “It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education.” – Albert Einstein (A german-born theoretical physicist who developed the theory of relativity, one of the two pillars of modern physics (alongside quantum mechanics.)

MYSTIC STATISTIC – “A new Gallup survey show that 71% of workers are “not engaged” or “actively disengaged” from their work.”

  1. https://www.forbes.com/sites/carminegallo/2011/11/11/your-emotionally-disconnected-employees/#48de9ec542d5

NOTABLE QUOTABLE – “When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life.” – John Lennon (Founding member of The Beatles and legendary songwriter)

FUN FACTS – (Page 196 from the BOOM book) The Formal Education Idiot List and the Clay Clark genius list:

  1. Abraham Lincoln
  2. A.P. Giannini
  3. Andrew Carnegie
  4. Benjamin Franklin
  5. Bill Gates
  6. Dave Thomas
  7. Colonel Sanders
  8. David Green
  9. Steve Jobs
  10. David Oreck
  11. Mrs Debbi Field
  12. Frank Lloyd Wright
  13. Wayne Huizenga
  14. Henry Ford
  15. James Cameron
  16. Jimmy Dean
  17. John D Rockefeller
  18. Michael Dell
  19. Ray Kroc
  20. Ron Popeil
  21. Rush Limbaugh
  22. Jay-Z
  23. Dr. Dre
  24. Sean Diddy Combs
  25. Simon Cowell
  26. Mark Zuckerberg
  27. Steve Wozniak
  28. Jack Dorsey
  29. Wright Brothers
  30. Thomas Edison

AMPLE EXAMPLE – Logos to the top companies in the worlds.

  1. https://www.google.com/search?q=logos+for+the+top+companies+in+the+world&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjHxpvU3ordAhUN2qwKHWHDBLgQ_AUICigB&biw=976&bih=912#imgrc=lbFB2MfE4LzyEM:


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Welcome back to the thrive time show on your radio and business conferences podcast downloads. They were talking about why it’s time to forget what the formal educators passionately taught you in formal education because you as an entrepreneur have to learn practical skills when it comes to paying the bills. Chap, you can’t just learn formal education and hide behind degrees. You have to learn actual practical skills. True. So if you’re out there and you’re saying to yourself, man, I have a degree, but I have no idea how to start a business, you’re going to love today’s show. Today’s show is all about the practical skills that you need to learn to pay the bills. What you learned in school is almost entirely not correct. Like everything you learned in school pretty much. Doesn’t matter. Your, um, your formal education pretty much doesn’t matter to me at all as it relates to your practical education is a general rule. So when I’m going to do is I’m gonna, have Eric Chop read the notable quotables, I’m going to break them down one by one because I have a lot of Ammo to support this concept, but again, if you want to become successful as an entrepreneur, practical education is what you have to value. You have to really, really value the practical education and you have to really not value formal education at all, unless it will help you directly to make more money. So Chubb, please read our first notable quotable from Napoleon Hill.

He says, an educated man is not necessarily one who has an abundance of general or specialized business conferences knowledge and educated man is one who has so developed the faculties of his mind that he may acquire anything he wants or its equivalent without violating the rights of others.

That to me was powerful when I read it the first time because formal education puts a bias on what they really, really prize memorizational yeah. So people that can memorize large amounts of content are viewed as awesome and formal education. So you’ll see a lot of people who have a very, very good grade point average. They have a’s all the way through school. They’re labeled as smart. They feel like they get. They go into the gifted program. Why? Because they can read a book, memorize things and regurgitate it on a test. They are basically human coffee machine. That’s all they are. They’re there a human copy machine which when you get into the world of business, Steve, if you wanted to, let’s say at Tlc, if you. Would you rather hire somebody who could memorize every rule and regulation or would you rather just go to Google?

I’d rather just go to Google and often do. So what happens is a lot of people have a phd or a doctorate or an MBA because they’re great at memorizing things, so they read a big book and then they write a paper about the book. They read a big book, they memorized the book, they test well on the A, b, c, and d, multiple choice question tests. They are good at memorizing information and answering multiple choice tests. They’re good at reading big books, memorizing things. And writing papers, they write papers, they do multiple choice. Chuck, you’ve seen this yet, but when during the work day as a business owner, do you do multiple choice questions or when during the work day do you write papers?

Never ever. And the things they don’t teach you are things like emotional intelligence, right? How, how are you going to deal with handling your people when the people have problems, they don’t teach you that stuff.

So I’m going to go throw and put on the show notes here. The things you need to learn that they didn’t teach in school. You have to learn sales. Yep. You have to learn sales. They don’t teach that in at school. Nope. And there’s a few colleges I’ve seen attempt to teach sales in. It is so ridiculous. It’s hysterical. So sales, it’s so impractical. It’s funny, but sales, you have to learn sales. You got to learn time management. You have to learn how to manage people because people. Steve, do you remember one time you got fired when you were out of town? Yes. Why does it always tend to work that, that, that the mob mentality. And the COO will start to brew when you’re out of town. Why does it, why does it that whenever you go on a vacation, that’s when craziness happens.

I don’t understand it personally because it isn’t something I would do, but I think that is the reason why if I do go out of town, most times people don’t even know because I don’t want people to act differently. Like my team doesn’t know if I’m going to show up at a 10:00 AM or 2:00 PM or six PM. They just know I could show up any time that I might show up. And that’s for that reason because I don’t know. People are people. People are humans. I guess. I don’t know. You probably profound, subtle. There found people are humans. You know what I’m saying? I don’t know why I can’t get to somebody who does that. That’s like literally as like conniving and planning for like when you have that break where you’re out of town that they can like go behind you and like.

So again, these are, these are business conferences skills you’re going to have to learn. They do not teach you in school to be an entrepreneur in today’s world. Okay? One is sales. You’ve got to learn time management. You learn people management. You got to learn how to spot and deal with manipulation. It’s everywhere. It’s crazy. It’s crazy. You have to learn basic accounting. You have to accounting or I have to know how to add and subtract. You have to learn that hard. You have to learn the stoic mindset. You just cannot be successful as an entrepreneur. If you get super emotional every time something bad happens, yeah, you just can’t, and these are things they do not teach in school. They don’t teach chip, you got to learn search engine optimization. You have to know about search engine optimization. You just can’t not know about it today.

You have to know about advertising. You have to know advertising. You just can’t not know advertising. Yeah, you got to learn branding. You have to know branding. You have to know practical branding. You have to. You just can’t get to a place where you don’t understand public relations. Public Relations is what people think about you when you’re not physically present. That’s what it is. And there’s all these things are out there. There’s all these, there’s all these things they teach you in school that are wrong. So as an example, you’ve got to keep it real. They teach in school. A lot of people say you got to keep it really got to be authentic. Be Real, going to be. Keep it real well. Okay, let’s just talk about being real for a second. Okay? Um, let’s get real. Get Real. No. Probably the most real person who just says what they think that I can think of would be Kanye West, probably come into number two would be Donald Trump.

And those two have gotten to a place in life where they can do that. Yeah, but you could, you go into your office with a staff of five or you’re, you worked for a guy in a company with 30 employees and you go in and you just say like, if you, if you just say that Kanye West worked. He was a plumber. All right? And he worked for a plumber. And his boss was a liberal, so he works for a plumber. Kanye West is a plumber and his boss is a left of center, kind of leaning, socialist, liberal. He loves that. His boss voted for Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama. And he walks in and says, guys, I got to be real with you, man. Imagine this scenario. They’re having like a team meeting those guys. Here’s the deal. I love trump. And you’re like, what is, I love trump.

Now again, this is a, he goes to work, Kanye West for a plumbing company far left of center as far left of center and the majority of the office is minority based. And he says, I gotTa Tell Ya, I love trump w per first up, we’re going to look at them like they’re kinda like, are you kidding me? Because it’s going to be almost like a joke. You know what I mean? Because it’s not going to go over. Well, I’m not going to be a thing where, uh, people are going to really understand what he’s saying there. They’re going to kind of question it. Almost like, is there a humor here? Are we already, are we looking for some humor? But then, but then they’re going to say what? What’d you just say? What did you just sued them and then Connie is going to say, look, you don’t have to agree with trump, but the mob can’t make me not love him.

We’re both dragging energy. He’s my brother. I love everyone. I don’t agree with everything anyone does, but that’s not what makes us individually. This is, that’s what makes us individuals and we have the right to independent thought and everyone’s gonna be looking at him like, did you just say what you say? And he’s going to say, listen, this is my tweet. I’m reading it to you. I’ve printed it off for you guys. You don’t have to agree with trump, but the mob can’t make me not love him. We’re both dragon energy. He is my brother. I love everyone. I don’t agree with everything anyone does. That’s what makes us individuals and we have the right to independent thought. Now, if you said that in your office and then you go out there and they say, okay, Kanye and trevor, you guys were in truck one, you’re going to be going over to the thompsons, three repair their drains and Chubb and Steve.

You’re in truck number two. It’s gonna. Be a weird ride over to the job when you’re in a car with someone you politically totally disagree with and he just really irritated you. The comments that trump says, if you were to say that in your office, you’d get fired, so you can’t go out there and not know how public relations works. You literally, you have to. You have to know these things. I just, you have to know a couple more things. You have to know. You have to know. You have to understand this. God just, Oh, so you’ve got to know how to push through the crucible. The crucible is that trying strenuous part of a business where no one gives a crap and there’s no one to call for help. It’s your business and when you’re stressed out, you got to know how to push through that. Park is every week has that. If you are an entrepreneur, so formal education, again, it’s, it’s not helping you too much as an entrepreneur, it’s time to forget what the idiots passionately taught you. It’s time to forget what the idiots passionately taught you and it’s time for. It’s time for you to focus on learning the practical skills that will help you to actually pay the bills. Chubb, we have another notable quotable coming in, hot from Mr Albert Einstein.

He says, education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school. Repeat that one more time. Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school to have a science

teacher maybe that said he’s forgotten more than we know. I just think it’s so important for you to understand the profoundness of this concept of you have Albert Einstein, who is, um, many would agree that this German boy born physicist a was one of the most brilliant people of his time. Um, regardless of your opinion, he is the reason why we won World War Two. He realized we were not doing well. He had ’em escaped Nazi Germany. He is Jewish and he came to America and he realized this war wasn’t going to end anytime soon and he knew how to create an atomic weapon. But what people don’t understand people, oh, I can’t stand people that Monday morning business conferences quarterback, American history. Here’s the deal. The only reason we made the atom bomb is he was from Germany. He pointed out there are about 90 percent of the way there to making an atomic bomb.

And if they drop one first, it’s over for America. Imagine they dropped one on New York City over for everybody. It’d be over. So he’s like, we better get going. And he recommended. I said, well, do you want to head up the project? He says, no, no, I’m not that good with people. Um, we need to bring in Robert Oppenheimer and they’re going, who’s that? He not only knew the technology needed to make it happen, but he also knew who should run the project and that he knew how to organize the project. He said, we need to go out there to an obscure place. We all need to have a, a, a codename we’re working under and nobody can leave. Nope. Nobody’s allowed to leave the location until it’s done because they’re gonna there. There’ll be spies here in our country. They will kill us if they know who we are and you just, we to get this thing done.

So Albert Einstein helped help to save our country and he pointed out that education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school, in school. They just cram your mind filled with these it and the importance of memorization. All it is is you go to school, you read a book, then you take a test, multiple choice and you write papers. That’s what, that’s. That’s how they determine if you’re smart or not. Now, if you don’t do well at memorizing books or writing papers, you’ll be labeled as stupid. Yeah, and then what’s going to happen is you’re going to go through life feeling stupid. I met a guy at the conferences we could told me he grew up feeling stupid and I said, why? He says, I am really, really good with my hands and today was the first day of my entire life.

I don’t feel stupid. I was like, what? This is a real thing. I said, this guy’s in his forties. I said, are you kidding me? He goes, no, I’m telling you, I just want you to know it’s the first time in my life. I haven’t felt stupid. He’s the inspiration for this podcast because he said to me, I’ve always felt stupid because I can like build shelves and I can build things and I’ve done really well with my business, but I’ve always felt stupid. Even though I’ve made a lot of money, I’ve always felt stupid. Well, what the crap does it mean to be smart? Being smart and reading books and then being able to take tests that makes you smart. Oh, okay. So I thought what I would do for the listeners out there as I’m sure some fun facts of people that are idiots who changed the world according to formal education.

So Chubb, I have a list. I’ll read them off here for it and you guys can, uh, you can kind of take notes on them and I’ll go through quite a few of them. Okay. Here we go. Abraham Lincoln did not have a college degree and very little formal education at all. Therefore, Abraham Lincoln had to have been an idiot, right? And we’ll just call this. We’ll call this clay Clark’s formal education idiot list, right? This is the form it will go up. We’ll go through the formal education idiot list and the clay Clark’s genius list. Okay. This is the formal educations idiot list and the clay Clark genius list. Okay. Another example, a p, g one. This guy didn’t have a college degree yet. After dropping out of high school, he started the modern banking system. The founder of Bank of America did not have a degree. Ap Giannini, Andrew Carnegie, the guy who invented the modern steel we use today that by the way, are in every single skyscraper, every single building.

He’s the only one who believed in Henry Bessemer enough to make the bessemer process a reality. He’s the guy who came up with the concept how to make steel. Andrew Carnegie a didn’t graduate high school. So again, he’s a formal education idiot. What’s he going to fall back on? Did he get a degree? Did he have a degree? You know Benjamin Franklin, you know that crazy guy who invented the lightening Rod, bifocals and other assorted inventions. That guy didn’t, didn’t have a degree despite saving America by going out there and securing the funding we needed from France to when the revolutionary war, despite starting the modern postal service, he did not have a degree. You Know Bill Gates. Steve Currently, have you heard of Bill Gates? A sounds familiar. He does something with computers. It’s A. Seems like William William Gates. Okay. Oh yeah. Microsoft. Is that a startup and it grows micar?

Microbrewery. Mikro. So. Oh. So that’s what. It’s a microbrewery. Makes a lot of sense. Okay, but no, Bill Gates doesn’t have a degree. Man. Dave Thomas from Wendy’s didn’t have a degree. Colonel Sanders from KFC didn’t have a degree. He founder of hobby lobby. David Greene didn’t have a degree. David Oreck. We’re talking about the category leaders here. Guys. We’re talking about the number one bank. No degree. Yeah, the steel industry. No degree. The leader of the software industry. No degree. We’re in a world of software. The guy in charge. No degree. What about the guy who is creating a hardware? The computer. Steve Jobs, he did not have a degree. No degree. The vacuum King David Oreck. No degree. He did clay. That guy did not have a degree. You know the cookie queen. Mrs Fields, Mrs Debbie fields. No degree, but she could cook. No degree. How about, how would this Frank Lloyd Wright, the top architect of his time?

No degree. How? What, what? Uh Oh gosh. You know, Rolls Royce, Rolls Royce or like I heard precision vehicles out there. High End. Most expensive. I’d have no idea. But cars cost. But I mean, these guys make precision engines and that guy, despite not having a degree, has, had some success, had some success. Yeah. They make airplane engines really is where they started. And you know that. Do you remember a blockbuster via, you know, the guy who, uh, he went onto by the Marlins, the Florida Marlins, the guy who started a, basically a garbage takeaway service. Wayne High Zinga. No degree High Zenga. We’re talking about the guy who made the concept of movie rentals or reality, right? Agree. The person who makes precision engines, they put in planes and automobiles. No degree. Yup. What about the guy who made modern business conferences transportation to reality? Henry Ford. A notre no degree, you know, but you might say, well, clay, you’re really.

I mean, that doesn’t. How about the guys who are leading the movie industry? You know, the guys who like titanic Avatar, the number two, one and two grossing films of all time. James Cameron. James Cameron didn’t have a degree. I don’t think he did. What about the king of the sausage? The Lord of the sausage, the man, the man known as Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean, no degree. How about the guy who found a way to procure the elements from the Earth’s crust known as fossil fuels? We did not have any fossil fuels that we were using outside of kerosene before rockefeller. How about the guy who invented the modern doctorate program, otherwise known as rock. You know that Rockefeller invented the doctorate program and he wasn’t a doctor. Do you know that Rockefeller procured? He came up with rubber. He came up with oil. He came up with gasoline. No degree. I don’t know how he’s doing it.

How about this? We say, you know, what about let’s do a different industry and I need something more relevant. What about personal computers? The actual hardware. Maybe you’re a pc guy. Michael Dell. No degree, but you might be saying, well clay, but what about Mcdonald’s though? Didn’t the Guy Ray Kroc, when he teamed up with the Mcdonald’s brothers and took them all over the world, didn’t he have a degree? No, he had no degree. What about the world’s best pitch? Man? Ron Popeil that he had a degree. No, no. He’s the meat dehydrator guy. No degree. No, no. The guy that slices and dices, he’s always selling something on TV. Ron Popeil no degree. You know the guy who invented the hip hop industry? Yes. No degree. Oh, the number that will be the guy that had the number 1:00 AM talk radio. Political talk host of all time. Rush limbaugh.

No degree. What about one of the wealthiest men in hip hop? The guy will go Jay z. What about Dr Dre? What about Sean Combs? So diddy, dre, diddy, dre, Jay z where they learn rap at the school of hard knocks. No degree. What about Mark Zuckerberg? Did he have a degree? Founder of facebook? Yeah. No degree. No degree. What about Simon Cowl? Like the most famous TV show? American idol. He started that show. Now you’re doing the Britain’s got talent. No degree. Well you might say what? Uh, what about though? The guy who did all the real, you know, the hard, heavy lifting mechanically speaking for apple to make it new under Steve Jobs is the visionary. But the guy who actually built the computers, Steve Wasniak, he had to have a nano degree. Do you know who Jack Dorsey is? He was the CEO of the, the, uh, that started twitter and square.

No degree. No degree. You mean. Wait a second. What guys? I want to recap here. Think about your day, your average day. Okay. How many of you, let’s go to the average day. How many of you get up in the morning and drive to a place of work? How many of you do that? I mean if you drive somewhere, the transportation that you’re in, the car you were in was made possible by a man with no degree. All right? The guy who put the oil and the gas possible that goes in the vehicle that makes it run, had no degree. If you drove to the airport to fly to a business meeting, the people who came up with the airplane, the Wright brothers, no degree. Now the airplane will be made using some steel, maybe composites, maybe airport would have steel in it. Created by somebody Carnegie with no degree.

When you’re at the concession stand at the airport looking for something to eat, if you have debbi fields or Mcdonald’s or Wendy’s, no degree. Now if you use a computer while on the plane, uh, you know, to, to do some work while you’re on the laptop. The person who created that didn’t have a degree in the software that’s on the program, on the computer was also created by Bill Gates with no degree. So you realize that and when you land you land and you, you do the work for a client, you do some consulting with them and they pay you and you want to deposit the money. And when you deposit the money, the modern banking system we use today was created by someone without a degree. Every major industry was made by somebody without a degree. And you know, the only people that need a degree.

That’s the people who work for the people with no degree. Ooh. So Thomas Edison, Thomas Edison, you know, this guy invented the modern light bulb. He started GE recorded audio. You know, Stephen, be hard to do a podcast without recorded audio. Crazy. It’d be hard to watch a movie without recorded video. It’d be hard to record this show in the dark without lights. Oh, Edison bulbs. Thomas Edison though is the one who created all that and he didn’t have a degree. Now let’s say that after a great day, you say, you know what? After a great week, we’ve made a lot of money. I flew in a plane that was created by a guy without a degree. I got in a car, no degree. I got into oil and gas from no degree. I’m using a laptop, no degree software, no degree. I got myself a debbi fields cookie.

No degree, and I know once you had a big deal a bit, you can just closed a big deal and you just want to celebrate your success. So you tell your kids kids were going to Disney world. You will then go to a place started by somebody without a degree. So if you have a degree of sanity, you will not need a degree to become an entrepreneur. You don’t need a degree. You don’t need a degree in order to become a successful entrepreneur. Furthermore, if you feel stupid because you can’t read a book and pass a multiple choice test based upon memorization and writing papers, you’re not an idiot and I know somebody told you you’re an idiot, so I’m going to tell you over and over and over so you get it into your subconscious chip. You’re not an idiot just because you’re not good at reading books, memorizing crap, and answering multiple choice questions and writing papers.

I want to chime in here with like a real, real scenario this year. You’re describing my dad. My father, Perry Chop, ran a successful business for 34 years, built a life for himself and my mom, but has always had a complex about his quote unquote smarts, right? Because he didn’t do the best in school. And so as I’ve gotten older I’ve been able to kind of help him get over that and explained to him now learning so much from you and seeing that all everybody has the same exact problems they did. And you’re not dumb for not knowing how to overcome these problems. Business because nobody out there is teaching it to you. But us.

And I want to share something about college campuses. College campuses allow people a place to hide because you can hide behind the walls of education, the degrees you can hide behind the big resume. But Chuck, when you get, when you finally leave that campus, and if you can’t sell something, if you can’t manage your time, if you can’t manage people, if you can’t spot in, deal with manipulation. If you can’t handle basic accounting, if you can’t have a stoic mindset and you can’t control your emotions, if you can’t handle these things, you just will not do well. Regardless of what your degree says. And I know a lot of people that have degrees who can not have success in the world of business because everything you learn on a college campus, everything you’re learning, everything you learn on a college campus almost entirely doesn’t matter.

I would say there are exceptions, like if you wanna become an architect, you need to have a license or certifications or an orthodontist or a dentist or a lawyer, but Steve, you really, the stuff you’re learning on campus isn’t used well. I want to point out someone who does have a degree. Oh Nice. Thank you. Howard Schultz from starbucks, but listen to what his degree’s in. He got a degree from northern Michigan University in speech communication. Now, do you think that helped him start starbucks or do you think that was like a thing or like, you know what I’m saying? Like I’m not dogging and for me I am. I don’t care if anybody has a degree. Like I’m not like looking down upon you because you got a business conferences degree. I just don’t care that you have one. Like it’s not a factor that comes into my, in my heart.

My heart of this show today is that there’s half of our listeners who have a degree and you know what I’m talking about, Mr. Listener, you realize that your degree really doesn’t help you very much at all. Yeah, and you’re still paying for that debt and there’s somebody out there that couldn’t get into school or struggled with school and they feel like an idiot and I’m just telling you, the entire formal education system is so screwed up and so stupid. If you, as an example, we had a guest on here, chop a, maybe we could go and he started the company that does the Vin Vin [inaudible]. He sold his company for how many million dollars. Remember, look it up real quick with 7 million and he sold his company for $147,000,000 to auto trader, and I asked him about his time at university because he studied coating and I said, if you bought Dabrye, you’re in charge of Rye, how would you change it? He says, well, pretty much everything they taught doesn’t matter. Right? Because you have to just learn to code. And only way to learn to code is to actually code. It was Matt Watson a Vin solutions? Yes. So you must learn by doing. That’s how you learn. People learn by doing. They do. They do learn by doing, and that’s how it works. We don’t learn by studying theoretical concepts. Chupp Michael Gerber has another notable quotable coming in. Hot.

Oh, where do we go? I lost it.

No clear picture of how you wish your life to be. How on earth are you going to live it? What is your primary aim? Where is the script to make your dreams come true? What is the first step and how do you measure your progress? How far have you gone and how close are you to getting to your goals? My friends? You need to know your goals because if your goal is do require a degree, then go get the degree, but don’t get a degree as a fallback position. That stupid, right? It doesn’t make any sense. It doesn’t make any sense whatsoever, but you’ve been sold that it makes sense and I’m trying to give you enough facts to combat. When someone says, well, I get emails all the time, clay, my parents want me to go to college, but I don’t want to. I talked to one guy, true story.

I said, hey, what do you want to do? He says, I want to do a food truck. I said, okay, where are you based? He was in Alabama. I said, cool, so you want to do a food truck? Do you already have a food truck? Yes I do. Do you work for a food truck guy? I have done it, yes. How much money do you make? The guy was making the time like eight or 900 bucks a week with the food truck profit and I’m going, no, don’t go to college. Just get out of there man. Just hustle. Subscribe to the thrive time school.com for 19 bucks a month. Drive Times cool.com for $90 a month, and you get to come to workshops once a year. You get to ask us any questions you want. You get access to all the podcast. Any of thousands of videos taught by world class mentors. You don’t need a degree.

One thing you said the other day that kind of stuck with me as we were, we were talking about this topic and you were talking about how a college is a business. It is and so that the goal of the business is to make money and so therefore they’re going to want you to stay in that business for as long as.

Right. That’s all it is. Now Albert Einstein, Albert Einstein once wrote, he says it is a miracle. That curiosity survives formal education and let me explain to you why that is. Here it is. Have you ever been in a class before and the teacher? I remember this one very vividly, Mrs. Oh, Mrs. [inaudible] vehicle. May you in time? Poss pickle. Ms Dot. Yes. There’s like A. I had a teacher named Ms Dot posh pistol. What are you being serious. I swear my kindergarten teacher was ms dot [inaudible] dot possible. I want you to miss pops. I want you. I know you’re probably no longer on the planet earth because of the age thing, but I want you to accept this idea and hopefully this will help you have peace in your older age, but this is what. This is what happened. I’m in your class and you were going on a pretty intense training about the importance of truth, false tables and making a sloping plain graphing things on x and y axis.

And I said, I don’t understand what you’re saying. And you said you don’t want to understand what I’m saying. That’s the problem. And then I said, well, when are we ever going to use this in our life? And you said it doesn’t matter, you just need to learn it. We’re going to do the next thing. And then when I that, that right there ignited and eternal flame for me. So I then I went to a friend of mine named Dan [inaudible] who is one year older than me and I said, Dan, when you passed this particular class, what are you on now? And he says, Oh, I’m studying this. And Dan was advanced and use. And then I took this, I took this, he’s doing like, I want to say like a ninth grader or sophomore. Dan was doing like, you know, precalculus kind of stuff.

And so then I thought, I’m going to ask my buddy, Jack, who was on the basketball team who is like a senior, I’m going to ask you because he’s already in the calculus. And I’m like, dude, what are you doing with that? And he says, Oh, I’m studying this. Well then I go and talk to his dad. Jack’s Dad is very successful, doctor like crazy, very successful. And I said, can I ask you, when do you use your knowledge of, of Calculus and this? And then he goes, oh, never. And I remember going, never. He’s, no, no, never. And he goes, but I’m really good at taking tests and that’s why I’m a doctor because that’s how it works. It’s just like. And he was really cool. He had to remember he was sitting down at a glass of wine. He said it’s a click and I want to talk and we’re looking at over the golf course.

As I said, yeah, educate me sir. He is a doctor and he says, you don’t understand like I’m just good at memorizing stuff. So the world says I’m smart, but you’re good at like solving problems and so like you’re really smart but you’re, you’re smart in a way that I wish I was because like you find problems or solutions and I don’t really know how to do. And it was really inspirational to kind of hear that from a guy’s dad who was super rich and first wealthy guys to sit down with me and tell me that was smart. And I was like, I thought he was just saying it. Yeah. And he goes, dude, like the way you’re organizing like these school events and these student dances and your t shirts are making out of your. That’s, that’s, that’s right there. You got to focus on that. You got to find a problem. And, and, and, you know, charge people for the solution. My man, that’s it. It’s all dentistry is, you know, you, you just, I was just thinking the exact words solving because

I remember being in school asking these same questions and that’s what I was told is, oh no, no, these math equations, these teach you how to solve problems. No, it doesn’t. That does not do that.

When you ask these questions, what will happen is the teacher will usually, not all teachers. There’s a lot of good teachers. Probably about three out of 10 are good teachers out there. And I say that because according to Gallup, we’ll put it on the show notes. I’m 70 percent of the American workforce is disengaged at work. And that relates also to teachers. Teachers aren’t exempt from that statistics and I believe there’s actually an unique statistics just pertaining to teachers will put the Gallup stats on there, but it shows that, you know, seven and 10 people are disengaged at their job regardless of whether your teachers or a firefighter or a dentist. Most people are just not engaged. And so, you know, my, my teachers, I can just look back at my high school career. I only had one or two teachers that were engaged, you know, they just really weren’t engaged.

And so what happens is, is that they then tell you, listen, don’t ask why, just memorize the crap. So what happens is Albert Einstein is pointing out, he says it’s a miracle that curiosity survives formal education because when you get told over and over, it doesn’t matter, just memorize it for the test of eventually you quit asking why? Unless you like abuse, which apparently I did. So I would like to give listeners good examples of what happens when somebody who values practical education interacts with someone who values only formal education. Enter my time studying multimedia at a private college. I’m going to oral Roberts University and the assignment was to make a commercial true story. Vanessa can remember this. It was for a company called speedy optical. It was a fictitious company. We needed to make a commercial and the Commercial Chubb had to be 30 seconds long and we were supposed to use um, the recording equipment they had in the studio to do it.

And I was, at the time I think I was almost 19, so I go down to the multimedia lab. Have you been down there and Steve or oral Roberts University? The multimedia lab? I think so, yeah. They had like, I’m not kidding. It was like real to real technology there and they had old splicing tape technology. Oh Wow. And I’m going down there and uh, I record my take and it’s like, it’s pretty optical. Are you looking for an affordable glasses? Come to speedy optical and I’m doing my read and I have to read it again because I messed it up. So I’m like, are you looking for affordable glasses? Check it out today at speedy optical. And then I still, I didn’t annunciate quite well enough because I’m playing it back and he had to hit rewind and you rewind it and go do it again.

So I’m doing it probably 15 takes and I finally nail the commercial. Then I go and began to splice it with the tape thing. And it’s literally like where you’re cutting and you’re spitz physical tape reel to reel. It’s crazy. And I’m really organized. This is probably going to take me five hours to do it. And so I had in my bank account at the time, I’m like a sophomore and, or you, I don’t remember, probably 10 grand or something. So I went to Guitar Center and I bought a company called our product cool edit pro, which is now adobe audition. I bought cool edit pro and it was like, I want to say guys like maybe 700, $800. It was expensive. I bought that and I had a micron computer with 333 megahertz of Ram. And so I took my audio, recorded it again. I bought a microphone.

Uh, Ryan tedder is the one who gave me. I bought the microphone from him. I bought a directional mic. It was a sennheiser mic. I bought it from Ryan Tedder, the Grammy Award winning artists. I bought it from him. He was across the hall. I bought his, he because he wanted to get a different mic. So I bought his directional mic. This is all in one weekend. I bought the mic. I got a cool edit pro, which is now adobe audition. And I sat down and I learned to edit the software. Now I got stuck real fast. I couldn’t figure out what to do because I’d never done it before. So I knocked on the door of a guy named Nathan and Nathan was a senior at oral Roberts University and he had already secured a job at a business conferences company I believe called winter communications. They do all the post production editing for esp and they still do to this day.

There’s a lot of ESPN projects that run through Tulsa. And I said, dude, can you show me cool edit pro? He’s like, yeah dude. Hey, by the way, how do you. How did you know about this? And I said, what do you mean? He goes, well, we use protools and cool edit pro for everything. You know, how, how did you know about this? I mean, I didn’t get a chance to touch this equipment until I was like a junior at oral roberts university. And I said, why? And he’s like, I don’t know why man. I said, well, Hey, could you show me how to do it? So he taught me these moves and I’m going to, I’m going to give the listeners the moves and you can write them down. These are just moves. He says, well, what you’re going to do is you’re going to record the audio and do all your takes in a row.

Like do them all in a row, like, don’t stop, just do the, do the read 15 times in a row. Okay. And then what you’re going to do is you’re gonna get out the cutting tool and you’re going to cut out anything you don’t like and just hit delete. So that would have been like 20 hours of work on the reel to reel. And then he says, then after you have the clips you like, just line them out on this thing called the timeline and then when you’re done you need to merge the audio. And I said merge. He goes, well, it’s like different layers and you’re going to flatten it, but once you flatten it, you can’t go back. So when you, you got to make sure you’re happy and then you flatten it. Then what you want to do is you’re going to go ahead and save it, right?

You’re going to say that you’re gonna. Say the session and save the file. Okay, got it. He goes, then go to bed, then come back the next morning. And if you saved it in session you can listen to it again and make sure you’re happy with it before you merge it down. And finally, and then save it as like version one, you know, because you’re going to come back. Maybe do version two. So I do all these things. I show up to my class at oral Roberts University. Super Proud to play the audio for my professor because it sounded great. I mean, it was a really good production. I had sound effects. I said speedy optical and behind there was an automobile Zhou and I had all this cool stuff and it was. It sounded great and my professor says to me, Mr Clark fail and there’s like a class of like 30 people and I go, why?

He goes, because you use digital technology. The assignment was to use real to real technology to create this recording. I said, but it’s like exactly 30 seconds. Everyone else’s 31 or 32. They’re over minds. Exactly. Thirty seconds. I’m sticking within the decibel readings. I’m going at the right speed and pacing my wave forms a line. I’ve got everything you asked for. Why am I failing? He goes, because the assignment was to use reel to reel and I said, I shouldn’t have said, but I said, well, you’re a dumb ass. And so yet again, I go to the dean and I go to the dean and the Dean says, Mr Clark, did you call professor such and such a dumb ass? I. He does a dumb ass. The purpose is to teach me how to produce audio. That’s why I’m going to this school, paying you guys 20 grand a year to go here and have my own money.

I’m paying 20 grand out of my own money and I just want to learn the skill. So I talked to a guy who actually has a job working for an espn production house and he told me that he never got a chance to touch the equipment until he’s a junior in college and the pr and the Dean says, well that’s because it’s a liberal arts or whatever it is and we need to first talk about humanities and understanding how the world works. But I’m like, I’m not here to learn that bro. You guys sold me that. I would learn cutting edge multimedia. And I went and met two of your graduates, one of which works in Vegas and kills it. Another one who works in La Right now. And they both told me that everything they learned at Oru was crap. Everything. So I tried to learn ahead of time from a guy who has a job and you failed me because I’m learning faster.

It’s ridiculous. You guys are dumb asses. And so told the Dean, he’s a dumb ass and I told the professor that dumb ass. So they’re like, well we’re going to campus you. Which means Oh, are you can’t leave the campus. Like you’re grounded. Oh Wow. For like a day. And if you do leave then you’re, you know. So. And that happened over and my entire time at oral Roberts University, it was a complete train wreck. I hated that place so much. So I thought I’ll go to Oklahoma state university. So I transferred there, I go there and it’s the same crap. I’m not even kidding. I had a higher version. Whenever you buy like adobe software, there’s higher versions of it and the newer versions are, are always better or have more features or more run more efficiently. I had like Adobe Photoshop, let’s say version seven and they were using like version two.

I personally owned a MAC computer. You know those Imac, those translucent, they. They’re like in teal and green and yellow, little round base on him. I had a better Imac than the school had. I had better microphones in the school had and the assignments were stupid. They told me that I’m supposed to draw a logo and they said if your logo were an animal, what would it be? If it was a historical person, what would it be? If it was a, and I am not exaggerating. I had to draw like 50 renderings of logos of a tree because I was. I was starting to fictitious landscaping company was our project and so what I decided to do after I drew like the first five, I had one that would work because logos need to be. By the way, we’ll put a link to the world’s most popular businesses and their logos will put a link to the logos of the world’s most successful companies.

We’re not talking about like deep metaphysical ideas here. I mean Mcdonald’s is an m to the harshest, right? Coca Cola is a red font that says coca cola, like if it was an animal or a famous person. When I started doing, after I drew out. Now again, this is pre Jesus. This is Jesus. Okay. But I was A. I probably five trees in Vanessa saw me do this. I think one of my journals I started drawing penis trees and they were trees that all in a different way somehow had a hidden penis in the logo and I turned it in and the professor, because I know the professor is not going to look at me, do the math. If there’s 50 students and they all are drawing 50 versions of a logo, not doing it, they’re not going to look through them. So I made sure that the first couple of pages were like legit logos brand for that.

I mean it were as close to just drawing a penis as you could get. I turned in my penis logos and the professor gave me like an a and I know it didn’t look at it. He wrote great attention to detail with a red pen and I know he didn’t read them. That’s awesome, and that’s what formal education is. Another example, I went to Osu and we had to write papers that had to be at least 15 pages long and there were students, and I’m sure Jeff, you never did this. I’m sure you know, but there was, there were students who were seniors and Oklahoma state and I was like a sophomore and so you would do is I would just write like the first five pages of paper and I would just buy the last 10, but I buy one page from each different person, so it’s like 10 bucks.

They’ll say a page, you’re smarter than me. And they had little disks. They had little disks, floppy disks, and so I’d buy them and then I would put them in there and I would just go in and move them around a little bit and that tournament and and they’re like, oh, great. Great Arch. The knows whether I can ride or not. Unbelievable. You know what? College is good for though. What I think what meat and hot girls. Yeah, that’s about all I got. Now, the final business conferences thing as we’re talking today about why it’s time to forget what the idiots passionately taught you in formal education. Why we’re, why we’re talking about that today. I want to read another notable quotable coming in, hot from a guy who some would argue changed the music industry forever. The end. You can’t argue the fact he sold more albums than almost anybody ever.

Uh, this would be John Lennon. You may say he’s a dreamer. What are the founding members of the. They have a ils linen. This is what John Lennon said when I was five years old. My mother told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down happy. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment and I told them they didn’t understand life. Oh, so I’m going to let John Lennon had the final word there because that to me is profound. I’m going to read it again. So John Lennon once once wrote, he says, when I was five years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be. When I grew up, I wrote down happy. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment. I told them they didn’t understand life. John Lennon three, two, one, boom.


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