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If you are watching these videos from any country outside of the United States, or from any planets outside of the planet Earth, you need to seek the wise legal counsel of a local attorney who better understands the legal complexities found within your country, planet, state, or city. For instance, in some states, including California, Florida, Nevada, Alaska, and Hawaii, a motorist can be cited for driving too slowly. Other states do not have this law, although Clay has actually been pulled over for driving too slow within the state of Oklahoma, which pretty much never happens. Wes Carter is a great American and a beautiful man, but Thrive15.com and its partners are in no way legally liable for any fashion statements that he makes verbally or just by admitting fashionable awesomeness simply by entering into a room. West Carter is not related in any shape or form to Clarence Carter, recording artist, John Carter, entrepreneur and artist, or Joe Carter, MLB baseball great. West Carter, how are you? I’m doing great, how are you doing? Somewhere between awesome and amazing. That’s where I’m right, right there. Somewhere in that zone. Yeah, somewhere in that zone. Now we are talking today about State of the Zone between Awesome and Amazing, and about trademarks and copyrights. Really kind of doing a deep dive into this about protecting our intellectual property. Specifically, Rebecca, one of the Thrivers, has asked a lot of questions. She’s saying, I want to know how to protect my intellectual property. She sounds like she’s a mompreneur, starting a business as a mom, and she’s concerned that she’s going to take her idea out there and it’s not going to, she’s not going to protect it. And so here we go. Wes, with the idea of trademarks and copyrights, how do you begin to protect your intellectual property? Like in what circumstances should we even want to protect our intellectual property? Well, I think you always want to protect your intellectual property. property, the key is knowing, one, what you protect, and two, what’s the right way to protect it. So, copyrights and trademarks are for two different things. Trademarks are for logos, names, branding things, stuff you’re going to use for branding. So we can put this up on the screen. Can you repeat that again? Branding. The trademarks, you should equate with branding. So you’re talking about your name, your logo, a slogan, things that you’re gonna put on your product or advertise for your service, that’s how the customer’s gonna identify you. Okay, okay. And so, have you ever met a customer, or a client, because you’re an attorney, where they come in and they say, I definitely wanna trademark this, or I wanna copyright this, and you say, not worth it? Yes, there are some things that you cannot trademark. So if you are going to use something that’s just common language as your business name, you can’t stop other people from using that word. So there are certain things that, or it just describes, you know, really awesome apples, that’s the name of your business, that just describes how good your apples are. And so you can’t trademark that. There has to be some line that the customer has to draw between that name and your product or service to be able to protect that. Note to self, end of the 14-year quest to trademark the word awesome. Yes. Okay, can’t do that. Okay, now as far as the actual word intellectual property, I want to define that. I want to ask you about it because you hear a lot of mess around. I should copyright that intellectual property. I should trademark that intellectual property. I talk to a lot of entrepreneurs who say, I want to trademark this, I want to copyright it. So let’s get into this word intellectual property. Webster says it’s an idea, an invention, or process that derives from the work of the mind or the intellect. Also an application, right, or registration relating to this. Wes, what does intellectual property mean? I’m kind of on a third grade level for common folk like myself. Just your idea. It’s a broad, general term that describes trademarks, copyrights, and patents usually. But it’s just your idea that something unique that you came up with that you want to protect. Okay. So now we’re moving on to another word that my main man Webster and his dictionary folks have decided to describe here. This is the word copyright. the legal right to be the only one to reproduce, publish, or sell a book, musical recording, or a certain period of time. The exclusive right to reproduce, publish, sell, or distribute the matter and form of something. As a literary, musical, or artistic work, break it down for me. What does a copyright mean to a typical entrepreneur, honey badger, watching this. Well, copyright protects the expression of an idea, it doesn’t protect the idea itself, but the expression of an idea. So your book, your YouTube video, your song that you wrote, or your movie that you shot, it protects that artistic work and keeps other people from using that. It gives you the exclusive right to make money off that and exploit that work. Let’s say I wrote a song. Okay. Ice Ice Baby. Now he claims that he… Recollecting. Yeah, let’s say that he claims that he did not copy the bass line from David Bowie. That was the claim. Under pressure. He claims he had no idea that that was the doon-doon-doon-doon-doon-doon-doon. He didn’t know they were this exact same song. He says they’re totally different, I didn’t know. So if I go out to copyright something, let’s just say I didn’t know. I copyright a song, and the song I’m copyrighting right now I call Ice Ice Baby, and it sounds just like the Ice Ice Baby that’s on the radio back in 1991. If I’m copywriting this particular song, how do I typically go about copywriting and when do I discover that somebody else has already copywritten this exact song? Well, the copyright office takes your application, basically your name, who the author is, who created it, who owns it, and then you give them a sample, whether it’s a CD of your music or a reel of your video, whatever, you know, a copy of your book, and they take that, record it. They don’t do much in the way of comparing to prior registrations. So it’s not like you know right off the bat, oh, this doesn’t qualify because someone else has already copyrighted this. So I do my bass line. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do. And I record it and I write the lyrics and it’s exactly a match. Bingo with Vanilla Ice’s song. I even call myself Vanilla Ice and the song I wrote is called Ice Ice Baby. They won’t tell me that it’s the same? Probably not. Now if you have the exact same name, the exact same title, maybe someone catches it. But it’s unlikely. I didn’t know. They don’t really screen them for conflicts. Now the trademarks, those are, that’s a very important part of applying for a trademark. Let me go down this rabbit trail of copyrights for a second. So if I, how long does it take me to typically copyright my song Ice Ice Baby. Well once you filed your application, you know, you’re talking probably at least a few months. So I finished writing my song, I pulled an all-nighter, and I’m like, guys, it’s crazy. I was driving home, I don’t know what happened. I was listening to like 90s, 1990s, all-night hip-hop party, and I had this idea to write this new song And henceforth, I want you to call me Vanilla Ice. I take that song I record… Don’t laugh, it’s not Funny Thrivers, this is very serious. So I record this song, and I file for the copyright. I can wait two months for this? Yeah, at least a few months. And it makes a difference. When you get ready to do it, you need to talk to your attorney. There’s a difference between a published work, something you’ve already put out there in the public and an unpolished work is something that it’s still in your notepad And nobody’s seen when do I get busted at what point do I get busted for copying the exact song somebody else? Yeah, when vanilla ice watches this video and finds out that you just copied too cold. It’s too cold No, that’s how it’s a cool. Okay. Here we go. So now we’re moving on now. How much does it cost to do this? Copyrights $200.00. Yeah, okay. So you’re in the complex they can go up it starts at around a few hundred dollars. Obviously, we’re in 2014. We’ve got inflation. We’re going to factor in where your money is decreasing in value over time. But a few hundred dollars, let’s say a thousand or less, roughly to a copyright, something? For the vast majority of them, yes. Okay. And just so that we’re clear, when we talk about inflation, I’m going to put this word on the screen because every once in a while through Thrive episodes, I’m going to refer to the word inflation. And especially when we’re talking about legal costs, because if you watch this video 10 years from now, I want you to know that costs go up. The word inflation refers to the continuing rise in the general price level, usually attributed to an increase in the volume of money and credit relative to the available goods and services. What does that mean? What it means is the more money that our government prints, the more- The less it’s worth. The less it’s worth, therefore this guy charges more. That’s how that works. Also, different parts of the country. If you’re in New York or LA, you’re probably going to pay more for legal services. Okay, that’s why people move to Oklahoma. Tourism capital of the world. Low-cost legal capital of the world. Okay, now Wes, once I finally do get a copyright in place, do I need to frame it, high-five my co-workers, or what do I need to do to keep my copyright protected and up-to-date? Well, your copyright, you don’t really have to renew for a very long time. How long? Well, you’re talking, depending on when you die, it could be 50 years, it could be 100 years. I’m changing to an all- Soylent. Not in your immediate business plan. I’m changing to an all-Soylent diet, and so I could live forever. Soylent is an online food where it replaces food. It has no flavor, and so I’m going with an all-soilent diet, so I might live a long time. So honestly, let’s say that I live to be 164. Is my copyright still good as long as I’m alive? Yes, for most of your types of copyrights, it survives during the life of the author. Okay, so let me ask you this, and I know it sounds terrible, but is there a game out there when somebody dies, people immediately file to take that idea? People do watch to see if a famous star’s collection is coming out from underneath copyright protection, which you hear in the public domain sometimes. That means a copyright is expired and it goes into the public domain where anybody can use it. So really, really, really old songs, you can’t stop someone from using it because the copyright is expired. Let’s talk about the Beatles. Somebody owns their collection. They’ve been around for a long time. Does somebody keep filing copyrights on their music? You can file renewals. You know, there’s things you have to meet qualifications, but you can file renewals if you’re still using them and you meet some qualifications. Okay. So if I’m watching this video and I want to go and copyright something right now, step one, what is it? Step one, I would suggest calling an attorney that files copyrights to help walk you through the process because there’s several types of applications, whether it’s a motion picture or a book or a piece of artwork. So it’s important to file it the right way, especially since the costs are relatively affordable compared to other things. I want to share this story with you if you’re watching this, Rebecca, and other Thrivers. I have seen personally dozens of entrepreneurs that I’ve known, gone to college with, consulted with, met them kind of midway through, and they have tried to do copyrights themselves because it’s cheaper and then after several months they realize I don’t know what I’m doing, I don’t know who to call, I don’t know. Now they hire an attorney who has to undo the original snafu and then has to redo it. And so it’s sometimes two times more expensive. Do you agree with that or is that just, do I just have weird friends in low places? No, anytime you do something wrong from the get-go, it usually is more expensive to go back and fix it than just doing it right from the beginning. So step one, I hire an attorney. What’s step two? Step two is they’re going to talk you through, one, should you copyright it? Two, what kind of copyright should you file? And just walk you through the process. So there’s a lot of legalese and jargon that’s in the copyright code in the law and most of us need someone to help explain it in simple terms how to work through the process. So is there anything else that I should know from just a broad perspective about copywriting before I decide to shell off the time and money needed to copyright something? No, I mean I think that’s why you talk to an attorney even if it’s just an initial consultation to see what your situation is. Do you need a copyright? Is it the right time to copyright it? Walk through those questions. So one, you don’t waste money, and two, you can build that into your business plan. Now the next area we’re going to deep dive into is this concept of the trademark. Yes. So first off, I’m going to talk about Webster and his gang of men and women who define words Webster. Here we go. He says, a trademark is something such as a word that identifies a particular company’s product and cannot be used by another company without permission. Break it down for us. What does the word mean to the average business owner? What does the word trademark mean? This is my branding and back off, you can’t use this. Get off! Right. This is what, branding is important. I mean, as you know, this is how customers identify you. They come to expect a certain quality of good or service. When they see your brand, you get loyalty to that brand. So it’s a very, very valuable asset. I’ve tried to trademark my face for years. Can I do that, my own likeness? We can make it a caricature. It’s possible. Okay, it’s possible. That’s something, if you’re watching this right now and you’re wondering how you can help make the world a better place, just send in money, bags of money, and say this is earmarked for trademarking Clay’s face. That’s something that you can do today. Now, this is all sincerity though. Business owners are constantly emailing us at Thrive, wanting to know how they can go about protecting their intellectual property. So in your mind, who needs to trademark? Okay. And who’s just wasting their time? I mean, if I wanted to get a trademark on my face, it’s probably a waste of time. Or is it not? Because I know Harry Carey, the caricature of Harry Caray is trademarked, the face of Harry Caray. If you’re going to slap your face on a product and sell it and that’s how you’re going to identify your product, then it’s a good idea to trademark it. And from the very beginning with names, we’re talking about maybe logos or caricatures, but with your name, it’s important from the very beginning to do a little bit of research or talk to someone that can help you so you don’t drop a whole lot of blood, sweat, and tears and money into building signage and websites with a name, go live and then get a nice little nasty letter from attorney saying that’s nice but we’ve had this name for five years over three states over here and you can’t use that name. What if my name is Bobby and I make cookies and I want to have a company called Bobby’s Cookies. Do you think I should invest the money going into it early on to research and to find out whether I can use that name, Bobby’s Cookies? Even if I want to operate just in Saskatchewan, I don’t even want to go around the country. I just want to be in Saskatchewan. There are some exceptions. It’s very hard to stop using it from your own name. So unless there’s a very well-known cookie company out there already existing under that name, it’s most likely you’re going to be fine using your own name. But just because you’re only operating a small local market does not mean that you’re exempt from trademark law. So it is possible that a big, giant corporation comes in, smushes you later on down the road because you’re competing with them. How long does it take typically to trademark my company’s name or slogan? How long does it take? You know, file the application. You can probably work with your attorney and get it filed in a week or two, and then once the application is filed, I would guess somewhere around six months to ten months, somewhere, maybe a little bit shorter. Six months, so you mean you could create a human in faster time than it is to get some trademark? Well, it has to work through a lot of different steps in the process. You know, there’s an attorney at the trademark office that’s going to review it, see is this worthy of a trademark, are there any other trademarks out there you had it before you did, then they publish it so the whole world can see and have a chance to disagree with you. You and your wife just had a baby? We did. What is the baby’s name? Annabelle Grace. And if you had to bet next time that you, are you going to have any more kids or is this it? Probably have some more. Okay. I’m trying to catch you Clay. With the five kids it is tough but it’s competitive. I will do some things needed if it gets to six, though I have to. So let me ask you. So if you were saying, I have, I have a, I just found out my wife is pregnant, and you had this race. Get a trademark or the baby being delivered? Who do you bet on? Do you bet on the baby being delivered in nine months or the trademark being done in nine months? Who do you have to bet? I’m probably going to bet on the baby. Man, that is discouraging, but so encouraging to know how tough it’s gonna be. But what happens when you file it, there’s so many trademarks out there that it’s likely you run into some issue that you’re gonna have to deal with with the trademark office. Unless you make up a word. Unless you, and that actually, not joking. Correct me. That’s one of the best ways to brand your company as something completely unique because it’s easy to protect. So real story for you guys watching this. The guys, Larry and Sergey, they started Google and the guy says, who do I make the check to? We’re their first investors. Who do I make the check to? And they say, Google. And they were calling the project BackRub for a long time because it’s a backlink program for indexing text. Well, they’re like, Google, how do you spell it? Well, they spelled it wrong and it was written reference to a math number and that’s how they came with a name Google Which was trademark free because who’s out there using the word Google and then let alone spelling it wrong the actual word Google So it’s just it’s it’s interesting how company names come about companies like Yahoo with an exclamation point Companies like Zynga. This is what happens. They’re like going. I don’t know what else to call it man. Let’s just call it and Something that sounds good. It’s easy to pretend. There’s a pretty good chance No one else is out there using it or use a word that has absolutely nothing to do with your product like Apple for computers or Bacon for legal consulting exactly okay, all right, so now how much money is reasonable to spend on trademarking something? you’re probably gonna be looking in the neighborhood of around a thousand dollars and going up from there. It seems like as an entrepreneur when you’re starting a business, I know when I started my business, you have very little time, very little money. For people watching this who have a business, maybe you have money but very little time now or maybe you have very little time and a lot of money, I don’t know. But that’s, legal bills are expensive. So can you just warn me one more time and tell me who should not even consider a trademark? I think you actually, all entrepreneurs, all people starting business should at least consider, do I need a trademark? Really? Can I afford one? Okay. So there might be no, but you at least need to make a conscious decision, I don’t need one. Okay. Now, if I’m watching this video online right now, and I just want to get out there and begin the process of getting a trademark going, what are the first couple of steps that I need to go ahead and take if I want to get this trademark thing going. I want to get it on like Mills Lane. Well, especially with trademarks, I would strongly suggest you get someone who is experienced with filing trademarks so they can walk you through the process. Can you do legal work in every state? I can do certain types of legal work in every state. Okay. So if somebody, you know, were wanting to work with a guy like you, there’s attorneys such as Wes Carter, Attorney Extraordinaire, who can operate in multiple different businesses, or multiple different states. And there’s some that can be in just a specific state. We’re dealing with different laws. Trademark, federal law, it’s the same federal law in every state. You get into a slip and fall, that might be some more local laws you have to deal with. Trademarks, any attorney can help you with this? No, you need someone who’s done trademarks. This isn’t an area you want someone that they’re going to learn on your dime. You want someone who’s done it before and that can help you negotiate the process. Okay. I appreciate you sharing this because I don’t think a lot of people learned that, one, if you can’t figure out a name that you can trademark, just come up with an original name that means nothing or that no one uses. That’s not a good idea. Or a word unrelated. Yes. I think it’s important that we all know that we really need to all you’re saying at least invest to see Just to check the trademarks. You’re not infringing. Um, this is big stuff and I appreciate you you sharing this and When we finish we get off air. I’m gonna sue you You will lose the half on okay. Thank you Right 15 calm the West Carter providing general legal information to provide drivers like you with a basic framework of the terms, concepts, and scenarios found within the legal system of the United States. If you are a human who is watching this video, you should seek legal advice from a local attorney before making a legal decision. If you are watching these videos from any country outside of the United States, or from any planet outside of the planet Earth, you need to seek the wise legal counsel of a local attorney who better understands the legal complexities found within your country, planet, state, or city. For instance, in some states including California, Florida, Nevada, Alaska, and Hawaii, a motorist can be cited for driving too slowly. Other states do not have this law, although play has actually been pulled over for driving too slow within the state of Oklahoma, which pretty much never happens. Wes Carter is a great American and a beautiful man. Although I-15.com and his partners are in no way legally liable for any fashion statements that he makes verbally or just by admitting fashionable awesomeness simply by entering into a room, And we’re back! Hey! Wes Carter, we are talking today about the legal action you can take to protect your brand. Okay. But before we talk about that, I want to shake your hand. How are you doing, sir? I’m doing awesome. I’m feeling like I have just got back from Phantasmagoria. Now let me ask you this here. Before we get into this, I want to just ask you, because the Thrivers, they’re always like, hey, legally you have to tell us. So I’m going to help the Thrivers out here. Are you related to Nick Carter, the former teen pop sensation and member of the Backstreet Boys? Not that I know of. That’s possible. Okay. So now let’s get into this idea of protecting my brand legally. Okay. Wes, what are some terrible things that could happen to my logo and my overall brand if I don’t take a few basic steps to protect myself and go ahead, just give me an end times scenario that you’ve either personally witnessed or you’ve heard about. What could happen if I do not take the time and energy needed to protect my brand? Worst case scenario is either someone else has already had the brand before you did, and it’s a giant company that comes and smushes you like a little bug. What’s a famous example of that? I mean, just not in this race. Yeah, lots of times. I have lots of clients that have, I mean, a truly unique idea is a hard thing to come by these days. We’ve been around for however long. A lot of humans. Right. So, you know, and someone else had that idea before you. They trademarked it. You don’t do the research to find that out. And their budget is probably bigger than your budget if you’re an entrepreneur. And their attorneys will come shut you down and you’ll have to rebrand the whole thing. Tell me another bad story. What’s something awful that could just totally awful that could happen if I have a little bad luck and I have not spent the time and money needed to protect my brand legally? You get hot, you get on a roll, your brand’s on TV, you’re blowing up Facebook, your life is good, then all of a sudden someone else comes in and knocks you off. They have a copycat site or a copycat product that’s very similar. And then you don’t have the proper registrations to quickly deal with it. You have to rely on some, what they call common law rights which means the fallback position and it’s going to take much longer to build the situation. Alright Mr. Negative, so what are some of the basic legal steps that I should take right now to protect my brand from evil? One, do a little research up front, make sure you’re good to go on the name you chose or the branding, the character, whatever it is. You say do some research, should I hire an attorney for this or should I be just Googling? I would talk to, definitely talk to an attorney. I think you start with Googling, doing some real research, because you might find something and just obviously, it’s already taken. And then when you pick a name and it looks to you like it’s good to go, then you have the attorney check it out and make sure they have more access to other things they can make sure for you. An example, if you’re online right now and you’re going, I’m going to have a big box retail store. And I’m going to have a blue logo. I’m gonna say always low prices. I’m gonna call it Walmart. Wall-Mart. That’s probably not something you want to spend time on hiring attorneys to do. Correct. You just want to deal with that ahead of time. Right. But after you’ve kind of got it down to now you’re in that murky realm, you’re like it looks good. Right. Now you want to call an attorney. Exactly. An attorney can give you the green light if it’s truly good or not. How much money is it going to cost me in 2014 dollars, today’s money, to protect my brand fully? Copyright, trademark, the whole deal. You’re probably talking several thousand dollars. Four thousand? Several thousand, probably low line, couple thousand, high five, depending on how many kinds of products you have out in the marketplace. Can we talk with trademarks? You have to file them in different classes. So if I have a cloning class for my t-shirts and my apparel, and I also have an audio video class because I’m making DVDs of how awesome my clothes are, you know, the more stuff you have to protect, obviously the cost goes up with it. So two action steps every thriver can do is one, just do some basic research using the Google or the Yahoo or the Bing or the whatever you want to use to make sure that you find out if your brand is just in blatant, absolute copyright violation if you’re copying someone’s idea completely. If you’re wanting to start a company called Chipotle, just Google that mess. You’ll find there’s already a Chipotle established. Save yourself time and money. But after that, you need to call an attorney. Spend maybe $4,000 to $7,000, something like that, on a… Yeah, the search itself won’t be nearly that expensive. Maybe $500. $500 to do a search. Well, we’re talking three to five for a small group of products to get it fully protected. File the trademarks, file the copyrights, just to do the search to make sure you’re going to go with that name under $1,000. Wes, I appreciate you for coming here and bringing some clarity to this idea that it could be very complex of what I can do to protect my brand. And as always, I just look forward to just suing you. Ah. JT, do you know what time it is? 410. It’s TiVo time in Tulsa, Roseland, baby. Tim TiVo is coming to Tulsa, Oklahoma, June 27th and 28th. We’ve been doing business conferences here since 2005. I’ve been hosting business conferences since 2005. What year were you born? 1995. Dude, I’ve been hosting business conferences since you were 10 years old, but I’ve never had the two-time Heisman Award winning Tim Tebow come present. And a lot of people, you know, have followed Tim Tebow’s football career on the field and off the field. And off the field, the guy’s been just as successful as he has been on the field. Now, the big question is, JT, how does he do it? Well, they’re going to have to come and find out, because I don’t know. Well, I’m just saying, Tim Tebow is going to teach us how he organizes his day, how he organizes his life, how he’s proactive with his faith, his family, his finances. He’s going to walk us through his mindset that he brings into the gym, into business. It is going to be a blasty blast in Tulsa, Russia. Also, this is the first Thrive Time Show event that we’ve had, where we’re going to have a man who has built a $100 million net worth, who will be presenting. Now, we’ve had a couple of presenters that have had a billion dollar net worth in some real estate sort of things. Yeah. But this is the first time we’ve had a guy who’s built a service business, and he’s built over $100 million net worth in the service business. It’s the yacht driving, multi-state living guru of franchising. Peter Taunton will be in the house. This is the founder of Snap Fitness, the guy behind Nine Round Boxing. He’s going to be here in Tulsa, Russell, Oklahoma June 27th and 28th. JT, why should everybody want to hear what Peter Totten has to say? Oh, because he’s incredible. He’s just a fountain of knowledge. He is awesome. He’s inspired me listening to him talk and not only that, he also has, he practices what he teaches, so he’s a real teacher. He’s not a fake teacher like business school teachers, so you got to come learn from him. Also let me tell you this folks, I don’t want to get this wrong because if I get it wrong, someone’s going to say, you screwed that up buddy. So Michael Levine, this is Michael Levine, he’s going to be coming, and you say, who’s Michael Levine? I don’t want to get this wrong. This is the PR consultant of choice for Michael Jackson, for Prince, for Nike, for Charlton Heston, for Nancy Kerrigan, 34 Grammy award winners, 43 New York Times bestselling authors he’s represented, including pretty much everybody you know who’s been a super celebrity. This is Michael Levine, a good friend of mine. He’s going to come and talk to you about personal branding and the mindset needed to be super successful. The lineup will continue to grow. We have hit Christian reporting artist Colton Dixon in the house. Now people say, Colton Dixon’s in the house? Yes, Colton Dixon’s in the house, so if you like Top 40 Christian music, Colton Dixon’s gonna be in the house performing. The lineup will continue to grow each and every day. We’re gonna add more and more speakers to this all-star lineup, but I encourage everybody out there today, get those tickets today. Go to thrivetimeshow.com. Again, that’s thrivetimeshow.com. And some people might be saying, well, how do I do it? I don’t know what I do. How does it work? You just go to thrivetimeshow.com. Let’s go there now. We’re feeling the flow. We’re going to thrivetimeshow.com. Again, you just go to ThrivedTimeshow.com, you click on the business conferences button, and you click on the request tickets button right there. The way I do our conferences is we tell people it’s $250 to get a ticket or whatever price that you can afford. And the reason why I do that is I grew up without money. JT, you’re in the process of building a super successful company. Did you start out with a million dollars in the bank account? No, I did not. Nope, did not get any loans, nothing like that. Did not get an inheritance from parents or anything like that. I had to work for it. And I am super grateful I came to a business conference. That’s actually how I met you, met Peter Taunton. I met all these people. So if you’re out there today and you want to come to our workshop, again, you just got to go to thrivetimeshow.com. You might say, well, when’s it going to be? June 27 and 28. You might say, well, who’s speaking? We already covered that. You might say, where is it going to be? It’s going to be in Tulsa, Russell Oklahoma. It says it’s Tulsa, Russell. I’m really trying to rebrand Tulsa as Tulsa, Russell. I’m sort of like the Jerusalem of America. But if you type in Thrive Time Show and Jinx, you can get a sneak peek or a look at our office facility. This is what it looks like. This is where you’re headed. It’s going to be a blasty blast. You can look inside, see the facility. We’re going to have hundreds of entrepreneurs here. It is going to be packed. Now, for this particular event, folks, the seating is always limited because my facility isn’t a limitless convention center. You’re coming to my actual home office. And so it’s going to be packed. So when? June 27th and 28th. Who? You. You’re going to come. I’m talking to you. You can just get your tickets right now at thrivetimeshow.com. And again, you can name your price. We tell people it’s $250 or whatever price you can afford. And we do have some select VIP tickets, which gives you an access to meet some of the speakers and those sorts of things. And those tickets are $500. It’s a two-day interactive business workshop, over 20 hours of business training. We’re going to give you a copy of my newest book, The Millionaire’s Guide to Becoming Sustainably Rich. You’re going to leave with a workbook. You’re going to leave with everything you need to know to start and grow a super successful company. It’s practical, it’s actionable, and it’s TiVo time right here in Tulsa, Russia. Get those tickets today at ThriveTimeShow.com again. That’s ThriveTimeShow.com Hello, I’m Michael Levine and I’m talking to you right now from the center of Hollywood, California Where I have represented over the last 35 years 58 Academy Award winners 34 Grammy Award winners 43 New York Times bestsellers I’ve represented a lot of major stars and I’ve worked with a lot of major companies and I think I’ve learned a few things about what makes them work and what makes them not work. Now why would a man living in Hollywood, California in the beautiful sunny weather of LA come to Tulsa? Because last year I did it and it was damn exciting. Clay Clark has put together an exceptional presentation. Really life changing. And I’m looking forward to seeing you then. I’m Michael Levine, I’ll see you in Tulsa. James, did I tell you my good friend John Lee Dumas is also joining us at the in-person, two-day interactive Thrive Time Show Business Workshop. That Tim Tebow and that Michael Levine will be at. Have I told you this? You have not told me that. Oh he’s coming all the way from Puerto Rico. This is John Lee Dumas the host of the chart-topping EOFire.com podcast. He’s absolutely a living legend. This guy started a podcast after wrapping up his service in the United States military and he started recording this podcast daily in his home to the point where he started interviewing big time folks like Gary Vaynerchuk, like Tony Robbins, and he just kept interviewing bigger and bigger names, putting out shows day after day, and now he is the legendary host of the EO Fire podcast, and he’s traveled all the way from Prince Hill, Rico, to Tulsa, Oklahoma to attend the in-person June 27th and 28th live time show, two-day interactive business workshop. If you’re out there today, folks, you’ve ever wanted to grow a podcast, a broadcast, you want to improve your marketing, if you’ve ever wanted to improve your marketing, your branding, if you’ve ever wanted to increase your sales, you want to come to the two-day interactive June 27th and 28th Thrive Time Show business workshop featuring Tim Tebow, Michael Levine, John Lee Dumas, and countless big-time, super successful entrepreneurs. It’s going to be life-changing. Get your tickets right now at Thrivetimeshow.com. James, what website is that? Thrivetimeshow.com James, one more time before it’s CBS. Thrivetimeshow.com Not to be played with me cause it get dangerous see these people are right with this moment Thrive time show two-day interactive business workshops are the world’s highest rated and most reviewed business Workshops because we teach you what you need to know to grow You can learn the proven 13-point business system that Dr. Zellner and I have used over and over to start and grow successful companies. When we get into the specifics, the specific steps on what you need to do to optimize your website. We’re going to teach you how to fix your conversion rate. We’re going to teach you how to do a social media marketing campaign that works. How do you raise capital? How do you get a small business loan? We teach you everything you need to know here during a two-day, 15-hour workshop. It’s all here for you. You work every day in your business, but for two days you can escape and work on your business and build these proven systems, so now you can have a successful company that will produce both the time freedom and the financial freedom that you deserve. You’re gonna leave energized, motivated, but you’re also gonna leave empowered. The reason why I built these workshops is because as an entrepreneur, I always wish that I had this. And because there wasn’t anything like this, I would go to these motivational seminars, no money down, real estate, Ponzi scheme, get motivated seminars, and they would never teach me anything. It was like you went there and you paid for the big chocolate Easter bunny, but inside of it, it was a hollow nothingness. And I wanted the knowledge, and they’re like, oh, but we’ll teach you the knowledge after our next workshop. And the great thing is we have nothing to upsell. At every workshop, we teach you what you need to know. There’s no one in the back of the room trying to sell you some next big, get-rich-quick, walk-on-hot-coals product. It’s literally we teach you the brass tacks, the specific stuff that you need to know to learn how to start and grow a business. And I encourage you to not believe what I’m saying, and I want you to Google the Z66 auto auction. I want you to Google elephant in the room. Look at Robert Zellner and Associates. Look them up and say, are they successful because they’re geniuses or are they successful because they have a proven system? When you do that research, you will discover that the same systems that we use in our own business can be used in your business. Come to Tulsa, book a ticket, and I guarantee you it’s going to be the best business workshop ever. And we’re going to give you your money back if you don’t love it. We built this facility for you, and we’re excited to see it. And now you may be thinking, what does it actually cost to attend an in-person, two-day, interactive Thrive Time Show business workshop? Well, good news, the tickets are $250 or whatever price that you can afford. What? Yes, they’re $250 or whatever price you can afford. I grew up without money, and I know what it’s like to live without money. So if you’re out there today and you want to attend our in-person, two-day interactive business workshop, all you got to do is go to Thrivetimeshow.com to request those tickets. And if you can’t afford $250, we have scholarship pricing available to make it affordable for you. I learned at the Academy, at King’s Point in New York, acta non verba. Watch what a person does, not what they say. Whoa. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Harvard Kiyosaki, The Rich Dad Radio Show. Today I’m broadcasting from Phoenix, Arizona, not Scottsdale, Arizona. They’re close, but they’re completely different worlds. And I have a special guest today. Definition of intelligence is if you agree with me, you’re intelligent. And so this gentleman is very intelligent. I’ve done this show before also, but very seldom do you find somebody who lines up on all counts. And so Mr. Clay Clark is a friend of a good friend, Eric Trump, but we’re also talking about money, bricks, and how screwed up the world can get in a few and a half hour. So Clay Clark is a very intelligent man, and there’s so many ways we could take this thing but I thought since you and Eric are close Trump what were you saying about what Trump can’t what Donald who’s my age and I can say or cannot say well I have to first of all I have to honor you sir I want to show you what I did to one of your books here there’s a name of Jeremy Thorne who was my boss at the time I was 19 years old working at Faith Highway I had a job at Applebee’s, Target, and DirecTV. And he said, have you read this book, Rich Dad, Poor Dad? And I said, no. And my father, may he rest in peace, he didn’t know these financial principles. So I started reading all of your books and really devouring your books. And I went from being an employee to self-employed to the business owner to the investor. And I owe a lot of that to you. And I just want to take a moment to tell you, thank you so much for allowing me to achieve success. And I’ll tell you all about Eric Trump. I just want to tell you, thank you, sir, for changing my life. Well, not only that, Clay, thank you, but you’ve become an influencer. You know, more than anything else, you’ve evolved into an influencer where your word has more and more power. So that’s why I congratulate you on becoming. Because as you know, there’s a lot of fake influencers out there too, or bad influencers. Yeah. Anyway, I’m glad you and I agree so much and thanks for reading my books. Yeah. That’s the greatest thrill for me today. Not a thrill, but recognition is when people, young men especially, come up and say, I read your book, changed my life, I’m doing this, I’m doing this, I’m doing this. I learned at the Academy in Kings Point in New York, acta non verba. Watch what a person does, not what they say. Hey, I’m Ryan Wimpey. I’m originally from Tulsa, born and raised here. I went to a small private liberal arts college and got a degree in business, and I didn’t learn anything like they’re teaching here. I didn’t learn linear workflows. I learned stuff that I’m not using and I haven’t been using for the last nine years. So, what they’re teaching here is actually way better than what I got at business school. And I went what was actually ranked as a very good business school. The linear workflow, the linear workflow for us in getting everything out on paper and documented is really important. We have workflows that are kind of all over the place. Having linear workflow and seeing that mapped out on multiple different boards is pretty awesome. That’s really helpful for me. The atmosphere here is awesome. I definitely just stared at the walls figuring out how to make my facility look like this place. This place rocks. It’s invigorating, the walls are super, it’s just very cool. The atmosphere is cool, the people are nice, it’s a pretty cool place to be. Very good learning atmosphere. I literally want to model it and steal everything that’s here at this facility and basically create it just on our business side. Once I saw what they were doing, I knew I had to get here at the conference. This is probably the best conference or seminar I’ve ever been to in over 30 years of business. You’re not bored, you’re awake and alive the whole time. It’s not pushy, they don’t try to sell you a bunch of things. I was looking to learn how to just get control of my life, my schedule, and just get control of business. Planning your time, breaking it all down, making time for the F6 in your life, and just really implementing it and sticking with the program. It’s really lively, they’re pretty friendly, helpful, and very welcoming. I attended a conference a couple months back, and it was really the best business conference I’ve ever attended. At the workshop I learned a lot about time management, really prioritizing what’s the most important. The biggest takeaways are you want to take a step-by-step approach to your business. Whether it’s marketing, what are those three marketing tools that you want to use, to human resources. Some of the most successful people and successful businesses in this town, their owners were here today because they wanted to know more from Clay and I found that to be kind of fascinating. The most valuable thing that I’ve learned is diligence. That businesses don’t change overnight. It takes time and effort and you’ve got to go through the ups and downs of getting it to where you want to go. He actually gives you the road map out. I was stuck, didn’t know what to do and he gave me the road map out step by step. We’ve set up systems in the business that make my life much easier allow me some time freedom. Here you can ask any question you want, they guarantee it will be answered. This conference motivates me and also gives me a lot of knowledge and tools. It’s up to you to do this. Everybody can do these things. There’s stuff that everybody knows, but if you don’t do it, nobody else is going to do it for you. I can see the marketing working. It’s just an approach that makes sense. Probably the most notable thing is just the income increase that we’ve had. Everyone’s super fun and super motivating. I’ve been here before, but I’m back again because it motivates me. Your competition’s going to come eventually or try to pick up these tactics. So you better, if you don’t, somebody else will. I’m Rachel with Tip Top K9, and we just want to give a huge thank you to Clay and Vanessa Clark. Hey guys, I’m Ryan with Tip Top K9. Just want to say a big thank you to Thrive 15. Thank you to Make Your Life Epic. We love you guys, we appreciate you, and really just appreciate how far you’ve taken us. This is our old house. This is where we used to live two years ago. This is our old team. And by team I mean it’s me and another guy. This is our new house with our new neighborhood. This is our new van with our new marketing and this is our new team. We went from four to fourteen and I took this beautiful photo. We worked with several different business coaches in the past, and they were all about helping Ryan sell better and just teaching sales, which is awesome, but Ryan is a really great salesman, so we didn’t need that. We needed somebody to help us get everything that was in his head out into systems, into manuals and scripts, and actually build a team. So now that we have systems in place, we’ve gone from one to ten locations in only a year. In October 2016, we grossed 13 grand for the whole month. Right now it’s 2018, the month of October. It’s only the 22nd, we’ve already grossed a little over 50 grand for the whole month and we still have time to go. We’re just thankful for you, thankful for Thrive and your mentorship and we’re really thankful that you guys have helped us to grow a business that we run now instead of the business running us. Just thank you, thank you, thank you, times a thousand. So we really just want to thank you, Clay, and thank you, Vanessa, for everything you’ve done, everything you’ve helped us with. We love you guys. If you decide to not attend the DriveTime workshop, you’re missing out on a great opportunity. The atmosphere of Clay’s office is very lively. You can feel the energy as soon as you walk through the door. And it really got me and my team very excited. If you decide not to come, you’re missing out on an opportunity to grow your business. Bottom line, love the environment. I love the way that Clay presents and teaches. It’s a way that not only allows me to comprehend what’s going on, but he explains it in a way to where it just makes sense. The SEO optimization, branding, marketing, I’ve learned more in the last two days than I have the entire four years of college. The most valuable thing that I’ve learned, marketing is key, marketing is everything. Making sure that you’re branded accurately and clearly. How to grow a business using Google reviews and then just how to optimize our name through our website also. Helpful with a lot of marketing, search engine optimization, helping us really rank high in Google. The biggest thing I needed to learn was how to build my foundation, how to systemize everything and optimize everything, build my SEO. How to become more organized, more efficient. How to make sure the business is really there to serve me as opposed to me constantly being there for the business. New ways of advertising my business as well as recruiting new employees. Group interviews, number one. Before we felt like we were held hostage by our employees. Group interviews has completely eliminated that because you’re able to really find the people that would really be the best fit. Hands-on, how to hire people, how to deal with human resources, a lot about marketing, and overall just how to structure the business, how it works for me, and also then how that can translate into working better for my clients. The most valuable thing I’ve learned here is time management. I like the one hour of doing your business is real critical if I’m going to grow and change. Play really teaches you how to navigate through those things and not only find freedom, but find your purpose in your business and find the purposes for all those other people that directly affect your business as well. Everybody. Everybody. Everyone. Everyone needs to attend the conference because you get an opportunity to see that it’s real. Everyone needs to attend the conference because you get an opportunity to see that it’s real. Get off Feezy to see that it’s real.


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