Guy Kawasaki & Robert Kiyosaki | Legendary Key Apple Employee, Guy Kawasaki & Best-Selling Author Robert Kiyosaki + Kawasaki Shares Why the Mind Is What the Mind Is Fed + Robert Kiyosaki Shares How to Escape the Rat Race

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On today’s show, I break down why the mind is what the mind is fed. Why you truly are the average of the five people that you most associate with. Why the fastest way to change yourself is to hang out with people who are already where you want to be. And why everybody needs to listen to Guy Kawasaki interview guy Kawasaki is podcast interview with apples co-founder Steve was the act.

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It was not a computer company. His idea was what he knew he sold surplus electronic parts you know how to buy switches and capacitors and transistors and sell them even so it’s a little low level chips chip that those days and sell them and even some little low-level chips, chips from those days, and sell them for a big, huge, you know, when it was a good deal. So he wanted to make a PC board.

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Neither one of us could really come up with a good argument that we’d make money, but he said, well, at least for once in our life, we’d have a company. And he did, one thing he wanted was to somehow be important in the world and he didn’t have the academic background or really business background but he had he had at least me and so he said let’s start a company and and my gosh I froze at that point because would I start a company behind Hewlett Packard’s back when I was determined and told everyone in my life I would be a Hewlett Packard engineer forever.

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Some shows don’t need a celebrity narrator to introduce the show. But this show does. Two men. Eight kids. Co-created by two different women. Thirteen multi-million dollar businesses. Ladies and gentlemen,

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welcome to the Thrive Time Show.

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Now, three, two, one, here we go!

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We started from the bottom, now we’re here. We started from the bottom and we’ll show you how to get here. We started from the bottom, now we’re here. We started from the bottom, now we’re here. We started from the bottom, now we’re here.

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Yes, yes, yes, and yes, Thrive Nation. Welcome back to another exciting edition of the Thrive Time Show on your radio and podcast download. My name is Clay Clark and I’m joined here today inside the box that rocks with Clay Stairs and a member of his team by the name of Sean. And Sean Loman is his name. And Sean, welcome inside the box.

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How are you, sir?

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I’m outstanding, Clay. How are you doing today? I’m outstanding, Clay. How are you doing today?

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You’re a liar. You’re actually in the box. You’re not outstanding.

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Oh, good one.

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You got me.

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Dad joke. Dad joke.

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There you go.

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Dad joke.

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Oh, I’m almost 40. I can just I can fire him off all day, folks. Unbelievable. I need to get more. Funny my Tim Johnson laugh. There it is. That’s a great one, okay. Stairs, welcome inside the box that rocks. I’m glad you’re honest about where you are.

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Exactly, yes.

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It’s good to be in the box today.

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Now we’re talking today about why the mind is what the mind is fed. The mind becomes what the mind is fed. You and your actions are shaped by what you’re around. You become the average of the five people you spend most of your time with. Again, the mind is what the mind is fed.

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And why I believe all the listeners should at least listen to one episode of Guy Kawasaki’s Remarkable People podcast, the Remarkable People podcast. Because in his podcast, he interviews Steve Wozniak. Now I have read Steve Jobs biography, and I’m sure a lot of our listeners have too. But just as an example of something

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you’ll learn by listening to his biography, or listening to the interview that the guy Kawasaki does with Steve Wozniak. Steve Jobs did not really invent the computer. Steve Wozniak did that by himself. Steve Jobs merely saw a way to mass market it and sell it, and then he had more of the entrepreneurial mindset. But if you’re not careful, popular history would teach you

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that Steve Jobs actually created the computers. People think he was a coder. Another example, Michael Jordan was not cut from his high school team. I know, I just made somebody cry, because they’ve been living on that story.

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Some guy right now has been working out like a boss. He’s a junior in high school right now, and he’s like, Michael Jordan got cut from his team, and I did too. Here’s the deal. Michael Jordan was great,

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and his high school coach recognized that he was great, and thought, you know what? This kid’s gonna be next level, so I should probably, as a sophomore, give him more playing time, and you were a coach in the high school level.

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Yeah.

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If you had a guy that’s good enough, you coach track. But if you had a guy that was good enough to barely start as a freshman. But, you know, he could barely see he’s good enough to lose every match barely at the varsity level. Why is there a certain science to letting him do junior varsity as a freshman and letting him win all of the meets? Why is that maybe a better idea than to have him go

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out there and lose all the time? His freshman year? Oh, yeah.

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Well, it’s all about just building your your strength, your confidence, building that, that self confidence. Okay,

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that’s huge in athletics. It is, and so his coach said, hey, Michael, I want you to play all the time. I want you to have a ton of minutes. I want you to develop your shot, your dribbling, your passing skills. I want you to just go dominate, and then your sophomore year, you know, junior, senior,

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we’ll move you up to varsity. Well, anyway, Michael was shooting a commercial, and I’m sure we’ve all seen movies that are based on a true story. Sean, have you ever seen a movie based on a true story?

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Yeah, there’s lots of those out there.

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Like the blind side, have you guys seen the movie The Blind Side? Uh-huh, based. I watched an interview with Michael Orr, who the movie’s based on, and he was expressing his frustration

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that the movie wasn’t an accurate depiction of him and his mental capacity. And he just wanted everybody to know that, yes, this family took him in, and yes, they raised him, and yes, he was appreciative, but no, this didn’t happen, and no, this didn’t happen. And so, again, I’m just saying,

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I think it’s nice when you can hear from the source how history went. And if you listen to the Steve Wozniak and Guy Kawasaki interview, you’re gonna hear a bunch of things, and one of the things you’re gonna learn is, man, a guy who wasn’t technically inclined at all

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teamed up with a guy who was technically inclined to build a huge company. But I think somebody out there who doesn’t know that story thinks, well, Steve Jobs was great at coding and sales, therefore I could never qualify to make a computer company

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because the guy who built the biggest one had to be good at both. So let’s start there. Stairs, how often do you see an entrepreneur out there who is maybe bad at sales and therefore they just don’t do the sales

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as opposed to hiring somebody who is good at sales? How often do you see that scenario where they go, you know, I’m bad at sales, and maybe they don’t know this whole Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak story, and they go, you know, because I’m bad at sales, I’m just not gonna do it.

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Yeah. As opposed to hiring someone who could do it. How often do you see that problem? Well, again, most of the time that we start out with clay and usually it falls in that area of management. They are they are great at being a leader, they have the vision for the company. Yep. And they are great at putting on the tool belt and

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actually getting out there and doing the work or being the architect that’s doing the drawings. But it’s that management level that they are uncomfortable with the, you know, the things that we’ve talked about in other podcasts of the management of actually setting clear goals, holding people accountable and being the butthole when you have to be a butthole. I think management really is the messy middle that no one wants to

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talk about. Yeah, definitely. If you listen to Guy Kawasaki’s interview with Steve Wozniak, I just think it would be so helpful for somebody out there because when you hear a long-form interview and you hear a guy like Wozniak talk about the struggles of building Apple, you then realize, hey, you know what? Apple wasn’t built in a year or two or five. When you listen to podcasts and you discover that Facebook lost $3.63 million during their first two years of business.

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When you discover that Amazon didn’t make a profit for a decade, doesn’t that reframe your thinking a little bit when you start to know that other people, and I say other people, all successful entrepreneurs, all of them have gone through this process, this messy middle. How does that impact your thinking stairs when you’re in the room with a coach who’s been there, who’s done it,

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who’s telling you this is normal, or when you’re listening to a podcast and you know that now you’re not an outlier and that this is gonna take time, how does that impact the thinking of an entrepreneur when they know that they’re not alone

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and that their slow growth isn’t maybe scary. Yeah, well, Clay, again, it goes back to that self-confidence and it lets you know that where you are on the path is normal. And again, I think if we just watch movies and we just look at Facebook and we just look at headlines, we see people after that 10 years. Yes. When they’re successful.

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It’s just like with children. If we’re not careful, and I’ve had several conversations with my kids about this, but they see the parents living in a nicer house, having the nicer cars, going on the nicer vacations, and now they are coming out of high school or coming out of college looking for the job, and they’re expecting the same fruit in their life at age 22 that they’ve seen their parents have in their 50s And it’s just no you’ve got to go through your path

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Just like I went through my path, you know and some of my personal path Well, you know some of that time was actually living in a car, you know being homeless and and living in that Delta Very cozy, but I you know, it was wonderful until the car got stolen. Did you get stolen with the car? I did not. Were you in the car? I happened to be in a rental car at the time and they stole that one. So that was interesting. But yeah, just the path, that furnace that everybody goes through, that leadership furnace,

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that entrepreneurial furnace, the eye of the needle that each of us have to go through. I think so often we have as business owners, we have an idea for a business and we get this idea, we picture the future being successful, we have money and we have free time, but we don’t realize that there’s going to be an entire season of preparation, a season of consecration, a season of purification. That’s going to go on before we can get to the identification of that full successful

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entrepreneur.

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I know.

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I know. I got it. I got it. I got it.

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I got it. You got to queue it got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. the persistence needed and preach the good news. And their own voices. We hear our own negative tapes in our mind talking to us and we know more than anybody else we know our own faults. We know our own limitations and we accuse ourselves. We accuse. The accuser of the brethren comes and I find it is me.

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It is my own voice that I’m hearing.

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Yes.

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Cast out the demon. And so, Clay, I remember for me feeling at a spot where- It is me. It is my own voice that I’m hearing. Shut it down. Yes.

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Cast out the demon. And so, Clay, I remember for me feeling at a spot where I was very discouraged where my life was. This goes back to 2011, 2010. Very discouraged where my life was.

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I got together with Dave Jewett here in town. Who will be on the show in two weeks. That’s awesome. Yeah, with your one degree. And like Coach, and I got together with him at a Panera Bread one time,

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and Dave Jewett asked me a handful of questions, and then he actually said, “‘Clay, you are right where you’re supposed to be. “‘At 47 years old, you are right where you’re supposed to be.'” And hearing that voice, when I had been hearing so many negative voices in my head, hearing that voice of encouragement actually broke me,

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and I began weeping right there in Panera in front of the bread aisle. Did you weep on your, do you have a bread bowl in front of you? I had a bread bowl. Did your tears go into the bread bowl?

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Some extra salt and everything like that. Yeah. So I mean, it was very difficult, but then clay I connected with you and having this proven path that you have walked me down that you have used over and over and over again. I have been able to consistently be able to see where I am in the path. It helps so much to know where you’re at in the path. Just as an example, we’re building this building right now and we’re actually, they started building the road on a Thursday, so the road’s going in.

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And getting ready, and you know, I’ve never built a road. I’ve never built a parking lot. Now we’ve built houses and buildings, but never a parking lot. So we hire a great firm, and I will not mention their name until I’m happy at the end. But once I’m happy at the end I will mention them all the time. So right

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now I have a pool company called Pool Creations that I have used on a previous project and I’m using them again on this project because Pool Creations is great. So if you want a pool, poolcreations.com. They do not pay me a commission, although I’ve asked, but they are great. Poolcreations.com. These guys are great. I won’t mention who’s building the building yet until I’m happy with it, but I can tell you the process has been great so far and they connected me with previous happy customers, happy references. They’ve told me what’s next. This is what’s going

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to happen. We’re going to do a soil test here, we’ll pull a permit there, then this will happen. And they keep you informed. And it’s so great to have someone coaching you down the path. And if you will just listen to Guy Kawasaki’s interview with Steve Wozniak, you’re going to hear about the messy middle. And you might say, well, who’s Guy Kawasaki? Well, Guy Kawasaki is the marketing specialist, the author and the Silicon Valley venture capitalist who really got his start

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in his big windfall financially by being one of the original Apple employees who was responsible for marketing the Macintosh computer in 1984. You see, he popularized the concept in the word evangelist in the context of a business. He was the Apple evangelist for all the Apple products, and it was his job to run around the country convincing you that you wanted to buy an Apple computer,

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convincing other businesses that they wanted to use Apple computers, convincing entire school districts that they wanted to use the Apple computers. And now he is the product evangelist for Mercedes

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Oh, wow

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And for a company called Canva and he released a best-selling book called wise guy last year And he has agreed to be in my new book that’s coming out here called the mastermind manuscripts But he also interviews on his podcast interviews Ariana Huffington who you might say well well I don’t agree with her politics. Okay, calm down. She built Huffington Post from nothing into something.

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And I’m always interested in that. If the story goes left at the end, or the story goes right at the end, I’m not talking about that. I care about the start up and the messy middle. If somebody wants to go left,

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Ted Turner wants to go green and save the Buffalo, that’s cool. That’s fine. If Trump wants to run for president, that’s cool. I’m not into where they end up. I’m into the beginning and the messy middle because not enough people know that part. Sean, people think it’s easy.

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Yeah, there’s a great quote and I hate to paraphrase it, but I’m sure we can grab it. It’s a Napoleon Hill quote where he says that people like to look at the success of a James J. Hill or a Rockefeller and they like to kind of look at that in their hour of triumph and kind of say, well, why am I not there or whatever? But they fail to, and I’m totally ruining this quote, but they fail to look at the actual steps that they took to get there. They just look at the end, the

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result. Yeah. Well, they look at the vision, but the vision is just the beginning. The vision is the encouragement from the great unseen hand, from the universe, from God, the vision that drops onto a person when they’re sitting there frustrated in their hourly job or in their salary job that they have,

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and they go, I’m gonna start my own thing. And a vision comes to them. It’s not the vision of how hard it’s going to be. It’s the vision of the finished product. But the vision is the beginning. Again, the next step is the preparation. Then comes the consecration. Then comes the purification. And then, and only then, is the identification of the vision. So these are the steps. I remember doing this when I was doing

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a ton of discipleship training. It was the same thing there, that somebody at a young age would feel like they were called by Jesus to do certain activities, and so they thought that it would just happen. Whoever, I don’t remember who created

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the movie Field of Dreams. I would like to meet them and kick them in the shins. Okay, if you build it, they will come. That is not true. But it we want it to be true. And so I’ve heard so many people quoting a movie line. Yes. If you build it, they will come. No, they won’t. They will not come just because you have built it. But the vision is the beginning.

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It’s the excitement, it’s the energy, it’s that rocket fuel that gets us off of the launching pad. It’s the foot that kicks us off the cliff. We had a guy by the name of Phil Alden Robinson. He’s the one who adapted the W.P. Kinsella’s novel, Shulis Joe, into the 1989 American fantasy drama known as

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Field of Dreams. Oh, I wanna kick him in the and Sean read a notable quotable paraphrase. So, I’m gonna read the whole thing for you here. Sean, you’re making me work today to sign all these. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But Napoleon Hill says, a Carnegie or a Rockefeller or a James J Hill or a Marshall Field accumulates a fortune through the

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application of the same principles available available to all of us But we envy them and their wealth without ever thinking of studying their philosophy and applying it to ourselves We look at a person in the hour of their triumph and wonder how they did it But we overlook we overlook we overlook the importance of analyzing their methods. And we forget the price they had to pay in the careful and well organized preparation. They had to go they had to be made before they could

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reap the fruits of their efforts. That’s the one that is good. That’s the one. No, that’s not the one play. I was thinking of a different one. I will say this success is about more than just words. Yes.

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It has got to be

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dedicated to

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I said, let me let me play the original More Than Words real quick, because this song is… I just want to listen to this song all night. If you have the capacity to, I’d like for everyone to go to Spotify after you listen to today’s show

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and listen to More Than Words by Xtreme. I’m gonna play just a little sample of it to get you kind of all lathered up. But go to Spotify and listen to More Than Words by Xtreme. What a great song because you can’t just have words, Stairs, you can’t just fill your mind with positive thoughts

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you gotta act upon those thoughts. But what I find is when you do act on those thoughts you will immediately come encounter with some type of opposition, some type of pushback, some type of adversity and when you have the voices of super successful people echoing in your ears,

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and you can hear the future cheers, you will persevere. It happens every time. But when you cannot hear, that’s what, it’s interesting now in this Mastermind Manuscripts book, I’m working on this, and I’m talking to an agent who’s helping me, and we’ve just met,

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I haven’t known Roger very long. He’s been super helpful. But I know where I’m going, and I think he knows where we’re going, but I think it’s, I know it as a fact, and I think everybody around me knows it as like maybe, but I know Napoleon Hill’s story,

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and I know when he hit his peak, and the age. I know Walt Disney lost it all at 37 again, age 37. He didn’t hit his stride until he was 45. And so as I’ve tried to explain this to anyone around me who’s ever asked, it never goes well. But they’ll say, so let’s understand here.

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You’re going to start recording a podcast every day from Tulsa, Oklahoma?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Why? Well, because eventually we’ll be top on iTunes and eventually we’ll have a best-selling book and we’ll mentor millions and then, you know, that’ll happen and that’ll lead to online subscribers for online school and all these different things.

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And people will say, what? Look at the top 20 on iTunes. How is it, How are you? Look at them, every single show, or most of the shows that are up there, except for Dave Ramsey, are very left of center,

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very liberal, they’re very infotainment. You guys are teaching principles, you’re conservative, almost like founding father conservative, you’re libertarian, you’re, what? It’s just not gonna happen for you.

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But then when we hit iTunes, when we hit the top of iTunes once, that was cool. And then everyone around me was like, what? It was almost like a fluke at that point, you know? You hit top and you don’t expect it.

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It’s like, what did you do to get there? Right.

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How did you cheat? And then it’s like, well, you know, we’ve recorded, you know, almost 2000 shows and people like the shows and we got reviews. And then it was like we hit it again. We hit six times. We hit the top of iTunes six times. And then when we booked the senior editor for Forbes, Zach O’Malley Greenberg, on the show, he’s the one who does the hip hop rich list. The big he writes books about Jay-Z and he’s just huge.

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People thought, oh that’s lucky. And then we book Sharon Lecter for Rich Dad Poor Dad, it’s oh it’s lucky. And then when you get Wolfgang Puck, it’s lucky. You get Guy Kawasaki, it’s lucky. But when you hear in your mind the echoes of these great men and women who went before you saying don’t stop until you get there when you hear people saying that you don’t commit to a goal for an amount of time you commit

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To a goal till you get there. Oh, that’s good. Say that again. Will you commit to a goal not being an amount of time? It’s until you get there. Yeah, it changes things. Yeah, that’s great. And so right now We’ve got I can say That John Lee Dumas has invited me to be on his show four more times this year. That’s one of the top podcasts of all time. And he never has people on more than once or twice.

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And to be on there four times, that’s cool. But we just had- Congratulations by the way. It’s awesome man. We had somebody, I can’t mention his name right now because of working through some stuff.

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But we have, if not the top podcaster of all time, close, one of the top of all time, who we’re looking at being on their show as well. And we’re just heating up. And we have the co-founder of Square,

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a $6 billion company. His people reached out to us to be on the show. This is all from Oklahoma. This is all from the box that rocks off the left coast of the river. This is not from Manhattan.

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Lewis Howes is based in LA for the Lewis Howes School of Greatness podcast. Gary Vee is in Manhattan. I mean, we’re not just teaching this stuff, we’re living it. The statistical probability of a guy at the age of 47

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being able to quit his job as a teacher and then the leader of a guy at the age of 47 being able to quit his job as a teacher and then the leader of a camp, basically going from the world of non-profit or government, in your case, stairs, and to be able to reinvent yourself at the age of 47 in a world where 96% of businesses fail, according to Inc. Magazine,

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the statistical probability of that is almost nil.

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Yeah.

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And you did it. You did it.

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And so this shows about people that did it. Sean, I want you to share with me one of your clients this year who has grown dramatically. And no matter what verifiable truth you tell me, I will one-up you.

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And we will continue this game until one of us gets bored. Because all of our clients are doing well. And we have 160 clients, and the average client is growing by 104%. So I’m just asking you right now, you tell me one of your clients that’s growing, no matter how great it is, I’m going to one-up you. And we’re going to keep doing this because it’s not polite to one-up, but it is polite

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to one-up if you’re the testimonial being shared because our clients love it when we brag on them. So give us a great client success story. All right. Levi Gables with Gables Excavation has grown 168% over the last year. We just did a podcast featuring him. Okay, that’s a mega point for you. I’m going to go with Tip Top Canine who’s here today in the back. You can hear the dogs out there sometimes. They’re training dogs inside our facility here. Tip Top K9 has been in business for nine years

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before running into us. And in the past three years, they’ve grown 10 times the size. However, you might get the nod because they’re a franchise now, which means they didn’t personally have to open up

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all 10 of the locations. But they did have a lot of legal fees. So, Sean, I guess you one-upped me on this one. I lost this one. The score right now is Sean 1 point, me 0 points. Give me

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another one, Sean. O’Reilly. Okay. So, this isn’t per se my client. I’m going to rob from Clay Stairs, because he’s got a lot of them, too. But Scotch Construction in New Braunfels, Texas, has grown, they have tripled in size.

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Gardner. Tripled?

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Tripled. 300% triple. Triple. Triple.

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Triple. Triple. Triple. Triple. I’m going to one-up you right now. Shaw Homes, we talk about them often on the show. We started working with them in 2016, January. They did $300,000 of sales during the month of January. Shaw homes dot com. Shaw homes dot com. So much to look it up. Now they are doing 12 million dollars of sales

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during the month of January for a 38 times growth. So you have lost and I’ve won. Now it is tied one to one. Give me one more stairs. Do you have a verifiable win?

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Can you one up both of us? Because I feel like you’re sitting on a hot he is success story Do you have a hot success story? Yes, we’ve got Doug yar holder with metal roof contractors over in, Oklahoma City Yep that let’s see last year in 2018 2018 they were sitting at about six million dollars and as they came into We’re able to hit their goal of $8 million.

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Oh, Billy.

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At 20, 20 something. 8 million?

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Yeah.

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8 million? And they were at what to start?

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Six.

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You win all the mega points, but I’m going to give you a boo. Boo! It’s not nice to one up people. It’s unbelievable. Not nice to one up people. Boo! It’s unbelievable, not nice to one up people. But I’m saying the mind is what the mind is fed. On this show we talk about exclusively

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things you can control. Somebody the other day said to me, do you know it’s gonna snow tomorrow? True statement, I said to them, I have not looked at the weather in 20 something years. And they said, What? How do you know what to wear? We’re the same thing every day doesn’t affect me. But seriously, when I wore a suit, the same thing, but I see people

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stairs, I’m sure you see people that literally are changing whether they’re going to go to work or how motivated they are or how motivated they aren’t based upon weather patterns. Do you not see this? Oh, I see it all the time. And again, I was trained in that mindset. Many years of being a school teacher with the snow day snow days. And again, I love snow days. Okay, I love some days, but it trained me that there’s such a thing as snow days. There’s such a thing as take a break. There’s such a thing as you’ve been working really hard. Do a movie today. I know people that

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were so offended by Trump tastic winning and getting an office that they literally took a week off of college to mourn and grieve. I know of colleges that told students and they allowed them to do it right and I know of other people that when Obama won they’re just like listen we are we’re all gonna have to no longer use R22 air conditioning. You can’t use the air conditioning coolant anymore, R22. There’s new light bulbs you can’t use anymore. The

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salaries just went up for everybody. And you know what? I’ll move on. But there’s some people that just can’t move on. They can’t move on because they don’t like Trump’s tone. They don’t like Obama. And they focus on everything around them, the weather, the Trump, the Obama. And they don’t focus on what they can control.

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I only care about what I can control because this has to be about more than just words. It can’t just be about words. No, no, it can’t be just about words. Yes. Now if you haven’t heard this song in about 20 years, what are you doing? Go listen to it. More than worse. Oh man, that’s his praise and worship background right there.

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Oh man.

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Yeah.

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Here we go.

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Yep.

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Here we go.

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Saying I love you is not the words I want to hear from you. I promise, everybody is tapping right now. Everybody’s moving their head and they’re squinting their eyes.

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All the white people are squinting their eyes. Here we go. It would be too show me how you feel.

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Oh yeah!

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More than words.

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Everybody now, here we go.

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Is all you have to do to make it real.

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Oh yeah.

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Then you wouldn’t have to say that you love me Cause I’d already know

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We’re gonna take you into verse two, but I need you, if you’re out there, put this on your playlist. More than words. On today’s show, I break down why the mind is what the mind is fed. Why you truly are the average of the five people that you most associate with. Why the fastest way to change yourself is to hang out with people who are already where you want to be. And why everybody needs to listen to Guy Kawasaki’s interview.

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Guy Kawasaki’s podcast interview with Apple’s co-founder Steve Wozniak.

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Deere was not a computer company. His idea was what he knew. He sold surplus electronic parts. He knew how to buy switches and capacitors and transistors and sell them and even some little low-level chips shipped in those days and sell them for a big, huge, you know, when it was a good deal. So he wanted to make a PC board. Neither one of us could really come up with a good argument that

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we’d make money, but he said, well, at least for once in our life, we’d have a company. And he did, one thing he wanted was to somehow be important in the world. And he didn’t have the academic background or really business background, but he had at least me. And so he said, let’s start a company. And my gosh, I froze at that point, because would I start a company behind Hewlett-Packard’s back

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when I was determined and told everyone in my life I would be a Hewlett Packard engineer forever.

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Some shows don’t need a celebrity narrator to introduce the show. But this show does. Two men, eight kids, co-created by two different women, 13 multi-million dollar businesses. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Thrive Time Show.

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Three, two, one, here we go! We started from the bottom, now we’re here. We started from the bottom and we’ll show you how to get here. We started from the bottom, now we’re here. We started from the bottom, now we’re here. We started from the bottom, now we’re here.

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Yes, yes, yes, and yes, Thrive Nation. Welcome back to another exciting edition of the Thrive Time Show on your radio and podcast download. My name is Clay Clark and I’m joined here today inside the box that rocks with Clay Stairs and a member of his team by the name of Sean. And Sean Lohman is his name.

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And Sean, welcome inside the box.

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How are you, sir? I’m outstanding, Clay.

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How are you doing today you’re a liar you’re actually in the box you’re not outstanding oh good one you got me I can just I can fire him off all day folks unbelievable I need to get more where’s my Tim Johnson laugh I need my Tim Johnson laugh. There it is. That’s a great one. Okay. Stairs, welcome inside the box that rocks.

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I’m glad you’re honest about where you are. Exactly.

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It’s good to be in the box today. Now, we’re talking today about why the mind is what the mind is fed. The mind becomes what the mind is fed. You and your actions are shaped by what you’re around. You become the average of the five people you spend your most spend most of your time with. Again, the mind is what the mind is fed. And why I believe all the listeners

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should at least listen to one episode of Guy Kawasaki’s Remarkable People podcast. The Remarkable People podcast. Because in his podcast he interviews Steve Wozniak. Now I have read Steve Jobs’ biography, and I’m sure a lot of our listeners have too, but just as an example of something you’ll learn by listening to his biography or listening to the interview that the guy Kawasaki does with Steve Wozniak. Steve Jobs did not really invent the computer. Steve Wozniak did that by himself.

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Steve Jobs merely saw a way to mass market it and sell it, and then he had more of the entrepreneurial mindset. But if you’re not careful, popular history would teach you that Steve Jobs actually created the computers. People think he was a coder.

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Another example, Michael Jordan was not cut from his high school team. I know, I just made somebody cry because they’ve been living on that story. Some guy right now has been working out like a boss. He’s a junior in high school right now and he’s like, Michael Jordan got cut from his team, and I did too.

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Here’s the deal.

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Michael Jordan was great, and his high school coach recognized that he was great and thought, you know what? This kid’s gonna be next level, so I should probably, as a sophomore, give him more playing time.

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And you were a coach in the high school level Yeah, if you had a guy that’s good enough you coach track But if you had a guy that was good enough to barely start as a freshman But you know, he could barely see he’s good enough to lose every match barely. Yeah at the varsity level Why is there a certain science to letting him do junior varsity as a freshman and letting him win all of the meets?

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Why is that maybe a better idea than to have him go out there and lose all the time his freshman year?

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It is. And so his coach said, hey, Michael, I want you to play all the time. I want you to have a ton of minutes. I want you to develop your shot, your dribbling, your passing skills. I want you to just go dominate,

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and then your sophomore year, junior, senior, we’ll move you up to varsity. Well, anyway, Michael was shooting a commercial and I’m sure we’ve all seen movies that are as are based on a true story So have you ever seen a movie based on a true story? Yeah, there’s lots of those out there like the blind side of you see the movie The Blind Side base I watched a interview with Michael or who the movie is based on and he was expressing his frustration that the movie

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wasn’t an accurate depiction of him and his mental capacity. And he just wanted everybody to know that, yes, this family took him in, and yes, they raised him, and yes, he was appreciative, but no, this didn’t happen, and no, this didn’t happen. And so again, I’m just saying,

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I think it’s nice when you can hear from the source how history went. And if you listen to the Steve Wozniak and Guy Kawasaki interview, you’re gonna hear a bunch of things, and one of the things you’re gonna learn is, man, a guy who wasn’t technically inclined at all

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teamed up with a guy who was technically inclined to build a huge company. But I think somebody out there who doesn’t know that story thinks, well, Steve Jobs was great at coding and sales, therefore I could never qualify to make a computer company

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because the guy who built the biggest one had to be good at both. So let’s start there. Stairs, how often do you see an entrepreneur out there who is maybe bad at sales and therefore they just don’t do the sales

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as opposed to hiring somebody who is good at sales? How often do you see that scenario where they go, you know, I’m bad at sales and maybe they don’t know this whole Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak story and they go, you know, because I’m bad at sales, I’m just not going to do it. As opposed to hiring someone who could do it. How often do you see that problem?

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Well again, most of the time it is probably 100% of the clients that we start out with clay and usually it falls in that area of management. They are they are great at being a leader, they have the vision for the company. Yep. And they are great at putting on the tool belt and actually getting out there and doing the work or being the architect that’s doing the drawings. But it’s that management level that they are uncomfortable with the what you

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know, the things that we’ve talked about in other podcasts of the management of actually setting clear goals, tough, holding people accountable and being the butthole when you have to be a butthole. I think management really is the messy middle that no one wants to talk about it. Yeah, definitely. If you listen to Guy Kawasaki’s interview with Steve Wozniak, I just think it would be so helpful for somebody out there because when you hear

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a long-form interview and you hear a guy like Wozniak talk about the struggles of building Apple, you then realize, hey, you know what? Apple wasn’t built in a year or two or five. When you listen to podcasts and you discover that Facebook lost $3.63 million

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during their first two years of business. When you discover that Amazon didn’t make a profit for a decade, doesn’t that reframe your thinking a little bit when you start to know that other people, and I say other people, all successful entrepreneurs,

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all of them have gone through this process, this messy middle, how does that impact your thinking stares when you’re in the room with a coach who’s been there, who’s done it, who’s telling you this is normal, or when you’re listening to a podcast and you know that now you’re not an outlier and that this is going to take time? How does that impact the thinking of an entrepreneur when they know that they’re not alone and that their slow growth isn’t maybe scary? Yeah, well, Clay, again, it goes back to that self-confidence, and it lets you know that

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where you are on the path is normal. And again, I think if we just watch movies, and we just look at Facebook, and we just look at headlines, we see people after that 10 years. Yes, when they’re successful. It’s just like with children, if we’re not careful, and I’ve had several conversations with my kids about this,

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but they see the parents living in a nicer house, having the nicer cars, going on the nicer vacations, and now they are coming out of high school or coming out of college looking for the job, and they’re expecting the same fruit in their life at age 22 that they’ve seen

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their parents have in their 50s. And it’s just no, you’ve got to go through your path just like I went through my path. You know, and some of my personal path, well, you know, some of that time was actually living in a car, you know, being homeless and, and living in that Delta 88. Delta 88!

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Delta 88 was sweet.

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It was a good year. Yeah, the seats were very cozy, but it was wonderful until the car got stolen. Did you get stolen with the car?

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I did not.

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Were you in the car? I happened to be in a real car at the time, and they stole that one, so that was interesting. But yeah, just the path, that furnace that everybody goes through, that leadership furnace, that entrepreneurial furnace, the eye of the needle that each of us have to go through. I think so often we have as business owners,

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we have an idea for a business and we get this idea, we picture the future being successful, we have money and we have free time, but we don’t realize that there’s going to be an entire season of preparation, a season of consecration, a season of purification. That’s going to go on before we can get to the identification of that full successful

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I know I got it.

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I got it. I got it. I got it.

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You got to queue it up here. Yeah, this is important though somebody out there has to understand that the mind is what the mind is fed They’re putting a bunch of crap in their mind while they’re driving down the road all the time. They’re listening to negative stories sarcastic FM radio DJs Howard Stern And they wonder why they don’t have the persistence needed and preach the good news. And their own voices. We hear our own negative tapes in our mind talking to us. And we know more than anybody else, we know our own faults.

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We know our own limitations. And we accuse ourselves. We accuse. The accuser of the brethren comes. And I find it is me.

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It is my own voice that I’m hearing.

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And so, I mean, Clay, I remember for me feeling, feeling at a spot where I was feeling it right there. Yeah, where I was very discouraged where my life was. This goes back to 2011, 2010. Very discouraged where my life was. I got together with Dave Jewett here in town.

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Who will be on the show in two weeks. That’s awesome, yeah, with your one degree. Yep. And like coach, and I got together with him at a Panera Bread one time, and Dave Jewett asked me a handful of questions, and then he actually said,

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“‘Clay, you are right where you’re supposed to be. “‘At 47 years old, you are right where you’re supposed to be.'” And hearing that voice, when I had been hearing so many negative voices in my head, hearing that voice of encouragement actually broke me. And I began weeping right there in Panera in front of, you know, the bread aisle. Did you weep on your on the, do you have a bread bowl in front of you?

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I had a bread bowl and some extra salt and everything like that. Yeah. So I mean, it was very difficult. But then clay I connected with you. And having this proven path that you have walked me down that you have used over and over and over again, I have been able to consistently be able to see where I am in the path. It

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helps so much to know where you’re at in the past. Yeah. Just as an example, we’re building this building right now and we’re actually, they started building the road on a Thursday, so the road’s going in. And getting ready, and you know, I’ve never built a road. I’ve never built a parking lot.

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Now we’ve built houses and buildings, but never a parking lot. So we hire a great firm, and I will not mention their name until I’m happy at the end. But once I’m happy at the end, I will mention them all the time.

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So right now, I have a pool company called Pool Creations that I have used on a previous project, and I’m using them again on this project because Pool Creations is great. So if you want a pool, poolcreations.com. They do not pay me a commission, although I’ve asked, but they are great.

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Poolcreations.com, these guys are great. I won’t mention who’s building the building yet until I’m happy with it, but I can tell you the process has been great so far and they connected me with previous happy customers, happy references.

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They’ve told me what’s next. This is what’s going to happen. We’re going to do a soil test here. We’ll pull a permit there. Then this will happen. And they keep you informed. It’s so great to have someone coaching you down the path. And if you will just listen to Guy Kawasaki’s interview with Steve Wozniak, you’re going

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to hear about the messy middle. And you might say, well, who’s Guy Kawasaki? Well, Guy Kawasaki is the marketing specialist, the author and the Silicon Valley venture capitalist who really got his start in his big windfall financially by being one of the original Apple employees who was responsible for marketing the Macintosh computer in 1984. You see, he popularized the concept in the word evangelist in the context of a business.

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He was the Apple evangelist for all the Apple products and it was his job to run around the country convincing you that you wanted to buy an Apple computer, convincing other businesses that they wanted to use Apple computers, convincing entire school districts

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that they wanted to use the Apple computers. And now he is the evangelist, the product evangelist for Mercedes.

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And for a company called Canva. And he released a best selling book called Wise Guy last year. And he has agreed to be in my new book that’s coming out here called The Mastermind Manuscripts. But he also interviews on his podcast,

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he interviews Arianna Huffington, who you might say, well I don’t agree with her politics. Okay, calm down. She built Huffington Post from nothing into something. And I’m always interested in that. If the story goes left at the end,

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or the story goes right at the end, I’m not talking about that. I care about the startup and the messy middle. If somebody wants to go left, Ted Turner wants to go green and save the Buffalo that’s cool that’s fine if Trump wants to run for president that’s cool I’m not into where they end up I’m into the beginning and the messy middle cuz not enough people

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know that part yeah don’t people don’t Sean people think it’s easy yeah

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there’s a great quote and I hate to paraphrase it but I’m sure we can grab it it’s a Napoleon Hill quote where he says that people like to look at the success of a James J. Hill or a Rockefeller, and they like to kind of look at that in their hour of triumph and kind of say, well, why am I not there or whatever? But they fail to, and I’m totally ruining this quote,

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but they fail to look at the actual steps that they took to get there. They just look at the end, the result.

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Yeah, well, they look at the vision, but the vision is just the beginning. The vision is the encouragement from the great unseen hand from the from the universe from God, the vision that drops on to a person when they’re sitting there frustrated in their hourly job, or in their salary job that they have, and they go, I’m going to start my own thing. And a vision comes to them. It’s not the vision of how

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hard it’s going to be. It’s the vision of the finished product. But the vision is the beginning. Again, the next step is the preparation. Then comes the consecration. Then we go get the purification. And then and then and only then is the identification of the vision. So these are the steps. I remember doing this when I was doing a ton of discipleship training. Uh, it was the same thing there that, uh, somebody at a young age, uh, would feel like they were called by Jesus to, uh, to do certain activities.

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And so they thought that it would just happen. Uh, whoever, I don’t remember who, uh, created the movie field of dreams. I would like to meet them and kick them in the shins Okay, if you build it, they will come that is not true But it we want it to be true. Mm-hmm. And so I’ve heard so many people quoting a movie line Yes, if you build it, they will come no, won’t. They will not come just because you have built it. But the vision is the beginning. It’s the excitement.

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It’s the energy. It’s that rocket fuel that gets us off of the launching pad. It’s the foot that kicks us off the cliff. We had a guy with the name of Phil Alden Robinson. He’s the one who adapted the WP Kinsella’s novel Shoeless Joe into the 1989 American fantasy drama known as Field of Dreams. Oh I want to kick him in the shoe. And Sean read a notable quote, let me paraphrase, so I’m gonna

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read the whole thing for you here. Sean you’re making me work today to silently do it. Okay but Napoleon Hill says, a Carnegie or a Rockefeller or a James J. Hill or a Marshall Field accumulates a fortune through the application of the same principles available to all of us. But we envy them and their wealth without ever thinking of studying their philosophy and applying it to ourselves. We look at a person in the hour of their

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triumph and wonder how they did it but we overlook, we overlook, we overlook the importance of analyzing their methods and we forget the price they had to pay in the careful and well organized preparation. They had to go, they had to be made before they could reap the fruits of their efforts. That’s the one that is good. That’s the one. No, that’s not the one clay. I was thinking of a different one. Now, I will say this, success is about more than just words.

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It can’t be just the game you play.

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It’s got to be more than words.

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It’s got to be more than words.

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It’s got to be more than words.

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It’s got to be more than words. We dedicate this song to… Let me play the original More Than Words real quick because this song is… I just want to listen to this song all night. If you have the capacity to, I’d like for everyone to go to Spotify after you listen to today’s show and listen to More Than Words by Xtreme. I’m going to play just a little sample of it to get you all lathered up. But go to Spotify and listen to More Than Words by Xtreme.

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What a great song, because you can’t just have words, Stairs, you can’t just fill your mind with positive thoughts you gotta act upon those thoughts. But what I find is when you do act on those thoughts, you will immediately come encounter with some type of opposition, some type of pushback,

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some type of adversity, and when you have the voices of super successful people echoing in your ears and you can hear the future cheers, you will persevere. It happens every time. But when you cannot hear, that’s what, it’s interesting now in this Mastermind manuscripts book,

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I’m working on this and I’m talking to an agent who’s helping me, and we’ve just met, I haven’t known Roger very long. He’s been super helpful. But I know where I’m going, and I think he knows where we’re going, but I think it’s, I know it as a fact,

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and I think everybody around me knows it as like maybe, but I know Napoleon Hill’s story, and I know when he hit his peak, and the age. I know Walt Disney lost it all at 37 again, age 37. He didn’t hit his stride until he was 45. And so as I’ve tried to explain this to anyone around me

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who’s ever asked, it never goes well. But they’ll say, so let’s understand here, you’re gonna start recording a podcast every day from Tulsa, Oklahoma?

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Why? Well, because we’ll eventually be top on iTunes and eventually we’ll have a best-selling book and we’ll mentor millions and then that’ll happen and that’ll lead to online subscribers for our online school and all these different things.

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And people will say, look at the top 20 on iTunes. How are you? Look at them, every single show or most of the shows that are up there except for Dave Ramsey are very left of center, very liberal,

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they’re very infotainment. You guys are teaching principles, you’re conservative almost like founding father conservative, you’re libertarian, what? It’s just not gonna happen for you. But then when we hit iTunes, when we hit the top of iTunes

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once, that was cool. And then everyone around me was like, what? It’s almost like a fluke at that point, you know, you hit, you hit top and you don’t expect it. It’s like, what did you do to get there? Right. How did you cheat? And it’s like, well, you know, we’ve recorded, you know, almost 2000 shows and people like the shows and we got reviews and then it was like we hit it again. We hit six times. We hit the top of iTunes six times. And then when we booked the senior editor for Forbes,

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Zach O’Malley Greenberg on the show. He’s the one who does the hip hop rich list, the big He writes books about Jay-Z and he’s just huge. People thought, oh, that’s lucky. And then we book Sharon Lecter for Rich Dad, Poor Dad. It’s, oh, it’s lucky. And then when you get Wolfgang Puck, it’s lucky.

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You get Guy Kawasaki, it’s lucky. But when you hear in your mind the echoes of these great men and women who went before you don’t stop until you get there. When you hear people saying that you don’t commit to a goal for an amount of time, you commit to a goal until you get there.

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When you commit to a goal not being an amount of time, it’s until you get there, it changes things.

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And so right now, we’ve got, I can say, that John Lee Dumas has invited me to be on his show four more times this year. That’s one of the top podcasts of all time.

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You could be anywhere doing a lot of different things, but you chose to be here.

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Some shows don’t need a celebrity narrator to introduce the show. But this show does. In a world filled with endless opportunities, why would two men who have built 13 multi-million dollar businesses altruistically invest five hours per day to teach you the best practice business systems and moves that you can use? Because they believe in you, and they have a lot of time on their hands. They started from the bottom, now they’re here.

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It’s the Thrive Time Show, starring the former US Small Business Administration’s Entrepreneur of the Year, Clay Clark, and the entrepreneur trapped inside an optometrist’s bunny, Dr. Robert Zunich. Two men, eight kids, co-created by two different women.

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13 multi-million dollar businesses.

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We started from the bottom, now we here. We started from the bottom, and we’ll show you how to get here. Started from the bottom, now we here. We started from the bottom, now we here. We’re the Clive.

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Started from the bottom, and now we’re at the top. Teaching you the systems to get what we got Colton Dixon’s on the hoops, I break down the books The C’s bringing some wisdom and the good looks As the father of five, that’s why I’m alive So if you see my wife and kids, please tell them hi

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It’s the C and Z up on your radio And now 3, 2, 1, here we go! We started from the bottom, now we here Yes, yes, yes, and yes, Thrive Nation on today’s show, it’s a very special occasion because the man who wrote this book and many other books, The Rich Dad Guide to Investing, Rich Dad, Poor Dad, The Cash Flow Quadrant, the man who wrote these books, the Rich Dad Guide to Investing, Rich Dad, Poor Dad, The Cashflow Quadrant. The man who wrote these books,

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the man who teamed up with Donald J. Trump to write a book about why he wanted you to become rich. This man has decided to lower his standards yet again and to join us on The Thrive Time Show. The man who changed my life, the best-selling author, I think the best-selling entrepreneur author of my lifetime. I think he sold over 70 million copies.

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Robert Kiyosaki, welcome onto The Thrived Times Show. How are you, sir?

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Hello. My honor. My honor to be on your show. And thank you for all you do. I hear the ripple effects from you are good ripple effects. You know what I mean? People rave about what they learn from you.

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So congratulations. Well, thank you, brother. And Eric Trump told me to tell you hello. He’s excited to see you in person here for our in-person workshop coming up March 6th and 7th. And so I wanted to talk to you, if we could go back to the very beginning.

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Rumor has it that the first copy of your book, Rich Dad, Poor Dad, when you self-published it, by a man at a car wash. Could you share with us that story? Because people know you as this megawatt best-selling author investor, but could you tell us how and or why you sold your first copy of your book at a car wash? Well, it’s kind of a long story, but I’ll do the best I can. As you know, capitalism is not taught in our school system.

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So a lot of our academic intellectual types, not to get political, are more left-leaning or anti-capitalists. So when I wrote Rich Dad Poor Dad, I submitted it to all the booksellers, and five of them actually said something like this

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on the rejection notice. When it comes to money, you don’t know what you’re talking about. And so I was kind of, you know, Clay, you’re an entrepreneur, I’m an entrepreneur. And as they say in Stoic, the obstacle is the way. And so if you let these pinheads get in your way,

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you’re in trouble. So I called one of my best friends up and I said, hey, you want a car wash? I want to sell my books. I had 1,000 copies, self-published. He says, we don’t sell books in car washes. I said, God, what a great idea.

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You know, I’d be the only book for sale in a car wash. And so the guy that picked it up was a orthopedic surgeon. And he read the book. He went, oh my god. But he was also with Amway. So he set it up uplining it to Dallas. This was Austin to Dallas. And

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this guy, Bill Galvin calls from Dallas with a little Southern drug was a great book. I said, Well, thank you. Thank you. How many copies you get? God, I said, I got 1000 minus 12. Because I had 12 in the carwash. He says, yeah, I bought them all. I said, I’ll take the rest of them. I went, well, who are you? He says, my name is Bill Galvin. I’m a diamond for Amway. And that’s how Rich Dad Poor Dad got started from a car wash for the network marketing

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industry, which Donald Trump and I both endorse because it’s a source of capitalism. And the book took off from there. So without Amway, I’d be in trouble. Do you know two friends?

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Do you know two friends? Now, Robert, I got to ask you this real quick here. You know, your book was centered around this thing called the cash flow quadrant. And for anybody who hasn’t researched this, or hasn’t Googledled this or hasn’t discovered this, it’s the migration or the path of an entrepreneur where you start off as being an employee. That’s step one.

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Then if you do that well, you get promoted to being self-employed. You own your own job. And then if you do that really well, you get to become a business owner, which is what Dr. Zellner is today.

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And then you get to become an investor. Could you walk us through the cash flow quadrant? And then Dr. Zellner has a follow-up question for you.

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Well, it’s ESBI. You can always tell an employee by their words. And I’m not really religious, but in the Bible, the word becomes flesh. So employees always say the same words. I want a safe, secure job with benefits.

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And an S, a small business person says, if you want it done right, do it by yourself. And then the B entrepreneur says, I’m looking for the best team. They want a team behind them. And the I is an investor, but it’s an insider investor. And people say, well, inside investment is illegal. I said, no, it’s just how close to the inside are you? So when I invest, I don’t own any stocks or bonds or mutual funds because that’s for outside investors.

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I want to be part of the deal. So my goal, you can see back here is my cashflow and board game. My goal was to take three companies public on Toronto Stock Exchange, the New York Stock Exchange and NASDAQ.

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and I’m gonna take my NASDAQ company public this summer.

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So the goals are different if you let me.

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Now, Dr. Zellner, you grew up, you were washing dishes at Chiquita O’Brien’s.

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Yes, sir. And then you built. $1 Chiquita O’Brien’s. Yes, sir.

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And then you built. $1.80 an hour. $1.80 an hour. And you built the largest auto auction in the state of Oklahoma. You basically took over a bank that wasn’t doing so well,

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and you rebranded it as Bank Regent or Regent Bank. You built a super of companies. Sir, what question would you have for Robert Kiyosaki here about the whole cash flow process?

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Well, Mr. K, I’m going to call him Special K, because he’s special. So tell me about your personal journey on writing. Tell me about, I mean, you’ve got this baby inside of you, and you want to birth it. How did you go about it?

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And what was your secret sauce on getting getting the words out of your brain onto the paper? Because a lot of people out there are like, man, I got a great idea. I want to write a book. But where do I get started?

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On it comes to go, I was somebody who has marine I went to military school also. And the first word we’re taught at the military academy is the word mission. And the Marines are taught the mission. And so we all have a mission is spiritual. So the irony of it is I flunked out of high school twice because I can’t write.

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Do you know what I mean? So as an entrepreneur, you’re always running up against somebody else’s bias, should I say, which is a free country. They’re entitled to their point of view. But she didn’t want me expressing anything about money because the love of money was

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evil.

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I’m going, jeez.

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So that’s how it started.

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I said, look, now I have an adversary called the school system. Now, Robert, I got to ask you this. The cash flow quadrant was obviously in your book, I mean, Rich Dad Guide to Investing, I’ve kind of desecrated this book.

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Thank you for reading it.

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I can’t believe that you do it worse than I do. Well, I’m proud of you.

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Thank you.

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Oh, man, you should see that. I mean, every book that you’ve written, I highlight this, I’ve got Post-it notes. People are saying, what did you do to that book? But the cashflow quadrant is a big part of your curriculum and of your teaching. Tell us about the board game. Because I don’t think a lot of people know about the board game.

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I think people know about the book, Rich Dad Poor Dad, but I think a lot of people don’t know about the cashflow board game. Walk us through the board game. That’s a very good, thank you for saying that. We have four basic intelligences, mental, emotional, spiritual, physical. Mental, emotional, physical, spiritual.

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So if you want to learn to play golf, you’d have to have a golf club, ironically. But what we do at school is they sit there and they just teach your brain, mental. And entrepreneurship, as you know, it requires mental, emotional, physical, spiritual.

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So the game incorporates all of that, your four intelligences. The middle part of the game is the rat race. And the rat race is where our schools send you to, go to school, get a job, live in the rat race. And the purpose of the game was to expand your context.

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How big a world can you see onto the fast track? Like I said, once I understood money, I was like, I need to achieve better, bigger goals. So you gotta learn to walk before you run. And that’s why my goal was to take companies public. That’s what entrepreneurs do.

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So I took my first company public on Toronto.

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It was a Chinese gold mine in China.

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And as soon as we struck gold, the Chinese said, thank you very much. So I don’t eat Chinese food anymore. The second gold mine I took public was on New York Stock Exchange. And that gold mine was in. It’s in Utah, pretty close to Provo. And the third the third mine I’m going to take public is a kind of environmental, not anti

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environmentalist. But it’s carbon credits, you know, we get paid to sell carbon credits. So that, I want to list on NASDAQ. So it’s just goals. So the purpose of the game was to take what you knew and expand possibility.

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That’s all it was designed to do. Now, Robert, I want to go back to my 18 year old mind, and I want to share with you an unfortunate but true story. Dr. Robert Zellner was my wife’s first boss. So the first full-time job my wife had, you know, my wife’s 18 years old, we were dating, Dr. Robert Zellner runs the optometry clinic and she’s my, he’s my wife’s first boss. At the time I had earrings in both ears. You were a thug. I dressed

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like a rapper but I wasn’t a rapper and I was building, I was trying to sound like a rapper, but I wasn’t a rapper. And I was building a… I was trying to build a disc jockey entertainment company, not knowing what I was doing.

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What did she see in you? I still don’t know.

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I don’t know, and I do know that it was a situation where I kept trying to pick your brain, and you kept trying to avoid me in your lobby, and that was a real thing that happened. And so, Iaki, I finally tricked Dr. Zellner into letting me meet him for lunch. And during lunch, I said, and there’s things that you might not even remember that you

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told me, but I said, Dr. Zellner, I said, hey, I’m not getting any customers. If you were me, what would you do? I asked, and you were saying, well, you should probably advertise. And I remember thinking, how can I afford that? And you said, well, why don’t you just get two or three jobs? And you told me about working at Chiquita O’Brien’s. Anyway, long story short, I got a job at Applebee’s, Target, and DirecTV. And that was that tough love mentorship that I needed.

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I needed to be told, hey, you’re not a rapper. Stop dressing like one. Get three jobs. Show up on time. Write things down. Get serious. It was almost like a military baptism by fire sort of thing.

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I needed that. Robert, what would you say to somebody who’s watching this show that’s under the age of 30, and they’re just kind of drifting along, they want to achieve super success, where are these young folks getting stuck? What advice would you have for an entrepreneur out there, plumber, doctor, dentist, somebody who’s got a business but but it’s just not growing.

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They’re not gaining traction. What would you say to them, sir?

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You need a Robert Zeller.

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There you go. Mistakes of stewardship.

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Yes.

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Sure. A rich dad, poor dad is very similar. My poor dad was a PhD, poor, helpless, and desperate. And my rich dad was my best friend’s father. And both men kicked my butt. I mean, they were tough guys.

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They were good men, very straightforward, honest men. I’ll tell you a quick story is I want to open a restaurant. So my rich dad said, okay, get a job running a bar. I said, why? He says, do as I tell you. So I got a job, I was still in the Marine Corps.

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I was stationed in Hawaii. I got a job running a bar. And I said, what the hell am I doing here? And he had me measure the poor counts. My rich dad was, I said, what do you mean? He says, your bartender’s robbing you blind.

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Went, what? Your help’s robbing you blind. And he says, you’re so effing stupid. You’re help stealing everything from you because you’re effing stupid. Wake up.

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I went, and so Robert Zeller, I mean, that’s tough luck. He says, you better figure out how they steal from you or else you’re not gonna make it. And so that’s the kind of lessons that our real life versus, you know, what’s the stochastic average of this and all that stuff.

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I had to figure out how my friends were stealing from me.

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Dr. Z, what follow-up question would you have for Robert Kiyosaki, sir?

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Well, I tell you what, what’s next?

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What’s next for you? I’m taking on Marxism. This woke stuff has got to go. It’s got to go.

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It’s really good. And how does that look? How does taking on Marxism look to you?

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Because I want in on that.

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I want in on that game.

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We fight back with capitalism. That’s why, you know, the Eric Trump and Don Jr. You look at those two young men. I hunt with them. you know, the Eric Trump and Don Jr. You look at those two young men, I hunt with them and go over the world with them. They’re the finest young men.

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They’re like their dad. So like father, like son. So I was in Hawaii with Don and Eric Trump and we go into this restaurant and those boys go into the back of the restaurant and they shake hands with all the help.

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They did that everywhere I went. They’re the classic young men. So like father, like son. And then you got Hunter Biden, who’s a criminal like his father.

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Yeah.

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Do you know? So it’s, unless we stand up and say, enough of this, enough of this. You know, the whole military went woke. And they’re, you know the whole military went woke and they’re you know talking of diversity and equity and all this stuff so then we’re all one unit no no no no some of you are black some

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of you are white i was u.s marine you know we’re all marines right and marines stay together that’s

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what we have to teach our kids now robert i, I want to ask you this. You know, with your career, you actually decided at one point to sit down with Donald J. Trump, and you wrote a book called Why We Want You to be Rich. That was the book. You also wrote a book called The Midas Touch. Both books are epic.

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They’re life-changing. In my opinion, everybody should read them. Let’s talk about that for a second, though, because we have a guy that just walked in our studio. And I promise when I edit this, you’ll be able to see these mystery voices. But we have a guy in our office right now, Steve Currington, and he’s a very successful mortgage banker.

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And Steve, I think if you wrote a book, it might be called, Why You Want to Be, Why Steve Wants to Become Rich. But Robert, you wrote a book about why you want other people to become rich. that book, what inspired you to write that book? Well, Donald and I met in green rooms.

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You know, we would be, we’d share these, we’re doing these huge real estate investment things like a Javits Center. We traveled to Australia together, San Francisco. And I got to know the guy very, very well. And the man is a character.

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He is funny as hell, but he has got a big heart and we started talking about the gap between the rich and the poor and as you know for Marxism or communism the thing that sparks revolution is the gap between rich and poor so that’s when Donald said, what can we do to influence the world to teach people to be capitalist versus poor people? You know, the idea of go to school, get a job, and you look at unemployment right now,

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it’s going to go through the roof with AI coming in. So we have a very serious problem, and then the my generation, the Bloomer generation, we don’t have enough to retire on. And the biggest problem I see that we all know about is a national debt of 30 with 36 trillion. We’re we’re adding a trillion dollars every 100 days. The interest on our debt is greater than our national defense budget. and our military is teaching people about gender equality.

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Something is wrong in this country. So that’s what we fight about. I fight against. Education, to be capitalists and entrepreneurs. Most important thing we can teach.

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Robert, one of the things that you said on multiple interviews, multiple times, and every time you said it, I thought to myself, have I not been paying attention? Because it felt like new information to me. The first time I heard it, which is probably

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the 50th time I’d heard it, you said, octa non verba. And maybe the first time you said it, I was driving while I’m listening to the podcast while driving. And maybe I was half paying attention, but I octa non verba. And then it was like a, almost like an angelic moment for me.

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And I octa non verba. And once I finally understood what it meant and what you were saying and how it could be used, I, I think it was a life changing for me and how I approach business. Could you explain octa non verba, what it means and how our listeners can apply it?

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Clay, you gave me goosebumps, man. I’m glad it hit you as hard as it did. Okta nonverba is the model of the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy at Kings Point, New York. I had appointments with Naval Academy and Kings Point Merchant Marine Academy.

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And Merchant Marine Academy’s motto was Okta nonverba. In other words, don’t listen to what a person says, watch what they do. So you can tell a person whether they’re capitalists or communists by their actions. So here’s Trump, he puts the wall up,

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Biden took the wall down. Do you know what I mean? Octa non verba, that man is a traitor. I mean, opening the wall up and then all this DEI stuff, I’m going, they’re trying to kill our country by weakening our military. Our national debt, like I said, is more than what we spend on the military. And then we have all of these

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people we’re putting up and, you know, we’re housing our immigrants in the best hotels. That’s all Marxism. What are you doing? Not what you’re saying. So I just listened to that stuff and I can tell a person’s act by what they’re doing,

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not get distracted by their words. That’s the most, I watch what a person’s actions are, not what they say.

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Now I’m gonna tee this up for Dr. Zellner but this was something big. Dr. Z when you guys bought the Bank of Nahuatl then you guys rebranded it as Bank Regent I think you were the chairman of the board was that your official title? No I was on the board I was the chairman. Sean Copeland was the chairman. Okay so Sean Copeland was the chairman and And I remember I went out to lunch with Sean Copeland at Cedar Ridge Country Club.

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And I was asking Sean, I said, Sean, and this was before he bought the bank, he was at Grand Bank and was thinking about buying the bank with you. And I said, what should I do with my money? And he said, what do you mean?

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I said, you know, with my disc jockey company, DJConnection.com, we’re doing about 4,000 events a year. So we’re spitting out about $150 to $175 of profit per event. There’s 4,000 events. What should I do with the cash? And he said, well, I’d take a quarter of your wealth and buy gold and silver. And I’m going, what?

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At the time, it was $400 an ounce. We’re talking 2005-ish. And I said, Sean, you own a bank. And he said, well, actually, I work at a bank. I don’t own a bank. It’s a bank that I work for. But I’m just telling you, you should take a quarter of your wealth, buy gold and silver. Take a quarter of it and buy real estate from emotional people.

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And I said, emotional people? And he’s a funny guy, but he was like, when people’s clothes are burning in the lawn, that’s a good sign. Yeah. The grass is overgrown. And he said, you’ll just do that, then you’ll be fine. And I said, what should I do with the other half of my cash? He said, well, keep it on hand for your new business plan.

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And at the time, I thought, I’m never going to have a new business idea, because DJConnection.com at that time in my life had defined every waking hour of my life from age 15 to age 25. That’s all I thought about was growing that company. And so I remember I told my young wife, we’d been married about five years, I said, I’m going to buy an ounce of gold.

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Basically, every time that we have $400, I’m going to buy an ounce of gold. And we’re just going to keep doing that with a quarter of our money. And so I think my wife thought I lost my mind. I thought I lost my mind. But it was that octaverba moment where I started doing it. I started buying the gold.

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Now it’s 2,700 now. So I want to ask you, Z, this question. When you and Sean were talking about buying the bank, how did that conversation go? And when did you recognize it was octa nonverba time?

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It’s not time to talk about buying a bank, but let’s go buy a bank. When did that moment happen? Well, I was speaking at a conference, and when you’re done speaking at a conference, people come up to you and they give their business cards and they shake your hand, want to meet you. And so Sean came up to me and said, hey, where do you bank? And I told him.

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He said, well, I’m a banker over at, I think it was Grand Bank, as you said. He said, why don’t you, let me take you to lunch. I said, I’m not interested in switching banks unless I owned part of it. And he looked at me, and we locked eyes, and we had that moment.

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And I said, how about you and I get in a bank together?

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What do you think?

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And he said, oh my, I signed up for more for this conference than I thought. Absolutely, let’s go find a bank and do this together.

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And you did.

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And we did. And we got other investors and we had a model and we did it and that this together. And you did. And we did. And we got other investors, and we had a model, and we did it. And that was successful. But we bought it, then we had the big downturn of the 2008 downturn.

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You timed it perfectly.

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Oh, we timed it perfectly, yes. We were out counting cows and pasture, because.

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Well, I want to give this backdrop to Robert Kiyosaki, because Robert, you obviously, people know you as a man who’s had massive success now, but when did you decide to be the gold buyer guy? Like, when did you decide to, you know, not just think about it and study it and look into the collapse of the dollar?

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When did you decide, hey, you know what? I’m actually going to start buying gold. When did that happen for you, Robert? Well, the first time it was silver. This here is the last silver coin to Kennedy half dollar 1964 and So at 65 it was copper And that was Crescent’s law Crescent’s law says when bad money enters the system good money goes into hiding

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So I started saving silver and then when I was in Vietnam I was flying off a carrier and my rich dad sent me a letter says, hey, watch out, Nixon took the dollar off the gold standard. So this here is a little, this is the gunship I flew in Vietnam, the most feared weapon by the Viet Cong, you know, we’d come rolling in.

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And so my co-pilot and I said, what does that mean, gold standard? I said, well, maybe we should go buy some gold. You know, because gold was like 35, was now at 50. So we’re on this carrier off of China. We look at the map of Vietnam.

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We see this pick and shovel AU. I said, oh, it’s a gold mine. So we fly behind. The trouble was it was behind enemy lines. The NVA had already run it over. The Marines aren’t the brightest guys in the box.

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I said, well, if we get in there quick, we might be able to buy some gold at a discount. So we, like two idiots, with a crew chief, we flew in behind enemy lines. We land next to this village. We disarm.

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We walk into the village, it’s bambooed, I can still see it, like crystal clear, and we have our hands up. He says, we come as capitalists, we’re not Marines, we’re just here to buy gold. So we go into the village, they point us to a gold seller, a little woman, and she’s a little bamboo shack, and I said, we’re looking at these gold nuggets. This is 1972. And I looked at him, I looked at my copilot, looked at me and do you realize Clay, it was illegal to own gold for Americans at that time? We didn’t know what gold.

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So we stood there looking at each other like idiots. And then also he was yelling and screaming. So we knew the NVA was coming South and we’re gonna be POWs if we didn’t get out of there. So I’m yelling at him and he’s yelling at me our partnership is dissolved. You stupid son of a bitch. I still remember coming through the village and this duck got in my way. I drop kicked the duck and pissed off the peasants out there, get to my helicopter, and the reason my crew chief was screaming,

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my helicopter was sinking. I parked it on a rice paddy. So, Marines are not the brightest guys on earth. So my helicopter is sinking like this, back in into the mud, and I gotta watch out for that tail rotor.

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So I put my little crew chief in the driver’s seat. And so the two pilots get behind by that tail rotor. And we’re holding it up.

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And the guy starts the engine. And mud flew everywhere. So we’re now covered in mud. But we got the thing out. We climbed in. We got back to the ship.

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My commanding officer says, where the hell have you guys been? We just covered in what was it? Don’t ask. Don’t ask. Now Robert, that’s what I became a gold bug.

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And I went to Hong Kong and I bought my first gold Krugerman 50 bucks.

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I still have it today. It’s in Star Ocean, Switzerland. Now, sir, I have a couple of rapid fire questions for you about gold. And I want to go to Steve Currington, the mortgage guru, so he can ask you a question here. On the gold thing, before we get into the deep dive in the gold thing, you had a lot of missions in that helicopter,

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in those helicopters. And one thing I try to do on this show, and I don’t know that I do a good job, is I try to be at least self-aware or self-deprecating because I know people look at the success of Dr. Zellner and they go, I could never do that. But I think it’s important to talk about the dish washing phase.

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I think it’s important for people to know the jackassery that I went through. And if you’re okay, sir, I’d like to keep this story private between you, me and our listeners. I believe that you might’ve got yourself in some trouble while you were in the Marines. Are you willing to share about that a little bit there, sir? And if not,

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we can punt and move on to another question. Talk about me. Yes, sir. I’m actually proud of it. I was court martialed twice and I’m an academy graduate, but the problem was like most men, it’s a woman who got me in trouble. Always. Always. So, uh, I was in Hawaii. I came back from Vietnam, got stationed in Hawaii and we had shaved heads and those are the days of the hippies.

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So we had, we’re having trouble with dates and Waikiki. So my friend and I said, let’s give her, offer helicopter rides to the cutest girls. And so we were flying women in our helicopter, drunk as skunks, having a great time, flying out into the island.

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And when they caught us, when they shut me down, they opened up, this is the Kaneohe Marine Corps Air Station, they opened the door of my helicopter. The first thing that fell out were beer cans. The second that fell out was me. Then they find women’s underwear in the back and scuba gear. You can’t take scuba gear up in the

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air. So for some reason, I went to jail. That’s the reason. It was the best thing that ever happened to me because I sat there at the I look at myself. You know, what the hell was I trying to do? And so I got this guy, Captain Abrams was the prosecutor. I go into court, I said,

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I found, I said, I better start telling the truth. It’s about time. So he said, you tell the whole truth, nothing but the truth. I said, yes sir. He says, tell me. I told him everything.

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I told him stuff he didn’t even know. At the end of it, Captain Avery says, you’re free. I said, what? He said, how much time am I gonna do? He says, you’re free. And he says, you’re getting an honorable discharge.

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Clay, I almost broke down and ride. That’s saying the truth so set you free. I wasn’t trying to hide it anymore. But it was the best lesson. It was kind of the reward for being such a bad boy was to understand the meaning of truth. Wow. And that that changed my life. Like I never cheated on my wife. I don’t do those things. I don’t cheat on taxes. I don’t cheat. Do you know what I mean? I’d rather just play by the rules now.

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But I needed to go have my ass almost put in jail. Now, sir, what kind of, could you hold up that helicopter again? Could you tell us, what’s the make and model of the helicopter that you were flying while intoxicated?

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This is a UH-1E, and it’s very underpowered. But it was, that’s a, those are rocket pods and machine guns. And it was the most feared weapon by the Viet Cong.

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That’s called the 1E?

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Yeah, I could fly right into their houses and shoot them.

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Wow, now Steve, you are, you’ve been sober for how long now, Steve? 2016. Since 2016. And Steve, he has a wonderful mortgage company called SteveCarrington.com. He’s kind of known as the guy in Tulsa, Oklahoma that’s always driving Lamborghinis and flying around in his plane from point A to point B. And so I thought since we’re talking about sobriety and flying in aircraft, this would be a good segue for you, Steve. So what question would you have?

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I know you, I know Robert’s books have changed your life. So what, what question would you have for Robert Kiyosaki?

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Well, I know you’re big on buying gold, but what else do you buy? Do you buy S&P 500? Are you diversified and other stuff? What other things do you recommend that someone might buy if they’re already buying gold, what are some other things you buy? You know, stock tips here, Robert.

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I don’t, I have stocks, but they’re my company. Like they cut my company, I took public. So I don’t buy other people’s shares. I’m a selling shareholder, not a buying shareholder. That’s the fast track out there. That’s the purpose of the game is pushing mine up there.

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So I don’t do S&P 500 at all. My my full and that’s thing is right or wrong. But I like real estate because I’m using 100 percent debt financing because after 1971 when Nixon took the dollar off the gold standard the U.S. dollar became debt or U.S. treasuries. And my concern right now is the bond market’s gonna crash because the Chinese are dumping our bonds. But I buy real estate on 100% debt. So let’s say I have a piece of real estate

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throwing off 25 bucks a month. That’s an infinite return because I have no money in it. Now I’ve studied real estate for most of my life. My rich dad started me teaching real estate with playing Monopoly, you know, four greenhouses, 1031 tax deferred exchange, red hotel.

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So if you go to Waikiki Beach today, you’ll find the Hyatt Regency Hotel right on Waikiki Beach. That was my rich dad’s hotel. And he was teaching me how to acquire real estate for nothing. So that’s why you need a doctor Zell was a teacher teacher.

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You got to have teachers.

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Now, Dr. Z, I want to ask you this question here. You know, you, you, um, the building you’re in for anybody who wants to Google it, they can type, type, type in Dr. Robert Zellner and associates, and they can find your optometry clinic. You’re located next to Oklahoma’s most prominent mall. You have a beautiful location. They just renovated the mall with a Shields support center

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there.

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It’s amazing.

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And you’ve owned that thing for years. But could you share with the listeners out there how you acquired the property? Because my understanding is you were told it’s not for sale, or it’s not easy to buy. And I think somebody out there needs to understand the the maybe abbreviated version of what you went through to buy that property which you still own today. Yeah it was

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a third of an acre and the guy was going to build a burger time went through a divorce and had a contract on it had a backup contract on it and I wanted that property and the real estate agent said well there’s two there’s already two contracts in play. And I said, I don’t care. I’m going to do a third one. So we did. And then the first one fell through. And then the second one was getting ready to fall through.

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It was going to be a Jiffy Lube. And they had to get everybody around there in the PUD to sign off on it in order to do automotive. And so I called the ex-wife down in Dallas. And I told her my story and I said, you know, here’s my story, here’s who I am and I’d like to give you $10,000

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more and close in 30 days. She goes, okay, done, sold. So instead of renewing that contract that was ahead of me, because I could get all the signatures signed off on it, all the big corporations signed off on it, I was able to get that piece of property. And I was just nice and honest and nice. And of course a little extra money didn’t hurt, but yeah.

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But Robert Kiyosaki, sir, you have a quote that I love. I love this quote of yours. There’s so many quotes I love, but this particular quote, I’m gonna read it. I hope I don’t mangle it. It says, the size of your success is measured by the strength of your desire, the size of your dream, and how you handle disappointment along the way.

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If Dr. Zellner hadn’t had a massive desire, if he hadn’t pushed through adversity, if he hadn’t broken all the rules and made an offer after two offers were already made, he would not have purchased that property. Could you walk the entrepreneur through, the young entrepreneur out there, sir, through the mindset that you have,

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because Robert Kiyosaki, I mean, you’ve had massive success. You continue to have massive success. What’s the mindset that you have when you encounter adversity of some kind?

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Well, first of all, let’s go back to the old cliche, you gotta set goals, right? And a lot of people set very small goals. The reason is a cashflow board game is I want to push the brain out to what’s possible in my life. So I had different goals, that’s how it starts.

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And one goal as most entrepreneurs is you wanna own a jet. So I own a Lear 60. But the problem was, how do I get somebody else to pay for it?

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That’s how I-

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Every man’s dream.

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Yeah, so that I don’t, you can see the back of my, there’s a Ferrari on my deck behind the balloon. My Ferrari there is how do I get somebody else to pay for it? So the way that I bought that Ferrari is I bought a mini storage first

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and the mini storage cash flowed and it paid for the Ferrari. So until you challenge your brain and be careful who you listen to, but Dr. Zellner, I mean, really, I’m not serious. You know, thank you for being a coach

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and same as with you, Clay. If we don’t challenge to what we think, not that it’s right or wrong, but challenge what you think. So I’m not saying don’t play the stock market. It just wasn’t my game. You know, like I played rugby.

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I don’t play soccer, different games and different team members. So that’s what it comes down to. It’s just real life. And so I have the best team players going, best accountants, attorneys, real estate guys. I own why goo cattle, you know why I own why goo cattle is because

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I sell the semen sperm flow. Yeah, I don’t have to kill. And you got a tax pay for it.

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You know what I mean?

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And there’s so many ways you can make money out there.

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Hey, if you sell a mansion, maybe you can buy a Lamborghini. Get you a Lamborghini.

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Oh, just, okay, no, real quick, Dr. Z, you are a man who decided to get involved in the horse, what horse nice nice segue. I knew you were going to say. That’s a passion of yours. You always wanted to have a horse. And now you have a horse that actually did well this year and some of these professional. Can you talk to share with Robert Kiyosaki about your journey into the horse world because that was your vision was to own horses and have somebody else

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pay for it.

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Yeah, and that’s exactly right. When I was a little boy, you know you had two or three channels and the only thing we could watch was like Bonanza and some western shows. And I thought man, you know I was very poor big big fan. I thought man one of these days I went on a horse ranch because that means you made it. And I just put that on my bucket list. And then eventually one day I thought, now it’s time to get my horse ranch.

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I thought, what kind of horses do I want? I did exactly like you did, Special K. I said, I want the kind of horses that somebody else pays for. So I went and got thoroughbreds because they race, they get purse money, and people gamble on it,

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and you can sell them. And so I just immersed myself into the thoroughbred industry, didn’t know anything about it. Went to Kentucky, went to some breeding seminars and talked a lot about semen. And anyway, the idea of trying to take two animals and make a better animal was fascinating to me.

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So I’ve had some success. And it’s been a fun journey. And I love it. I love horses and I love my horse ranch. So it’s kind of fun whenever you put something as a young boy on your bucket list and then the day comes where you finally have it

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and then you get to enjoy it. That’s pretty special.

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Now this is gonna sound like a series of passive aggressive compliments, but they’re not. These are positive, these are not backhanded compliments. Dr. Z, let’s just say you’re not 25 years old. Robert Kiyosaki, let’s just say you’re not 25 years old. But so many people that I see, that I meet, they say, you know, my desire, my goal,

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my big vision is to vacation, which the word vacation means to retreat from. But the people that I have found who are the most successful, that are the most vibrant, that are the most alive, regardless of age, are people that seek a vocation, which means your calling. So if you look up vocation,

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the meaning of vocation in Latin is your calling. And I believe that both of you, Dr. Z and Robert Kiyosaki, you guys are very much alive and you’re exhilarated and probably more enthusiastic than the average 20 year old because you have a calling that you’re pursuing something that gets you excited every morning. And I wanna get your thoughts on this, Robert Kiyosaki, because you are doing some big things right now.

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You’ve got the cashflow board game going on, but you’re really, really talking about the future of money on your podcast. I mean, you’re not, so tell us about what kinds of topics you’re talking about on your podcast now, because I’m seeing you now talk about the future of money. You’re really staying on top of BRICS and their attempt to unseat the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency.

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Tell us about what topics you’re discussing on your podcast right now, sir.

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Well, again, this is 1964, was a Kennedy half dollar, was the last silver coin. And 65, you turn a coin over like this. It was copper. And then it got me curious. And I started studying money and all throughout history, every time they aberrated the money, the empire came down.

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So that’s a long way of saying it. One day I was this is in the 80s. I was in a seminar with Dr. Buckminster Fuller, the G-Desic dome and all that. And he asked me this question, everybody asks a young man, he goes,

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what’s your purpose, what do you wanna do? And I said, I just wanna get rich. And he says, that’s a very shallow thing. And then Bucky says, Bucky Fuller said to me, he says, what does God want you to do? What does God want you to do? And I sat there going, God, I served my country,

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two tours in Vietnam and all this, but what was my, and it came down to my natural interest in money and I don’t trust my government. And I went to Vietnam, I went, where will I do out here?

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And I didn’t trust them. And I trusted our money less. Like I said, that’s when I flew this little baby here behind enemy lines to look for gold. But that, who would ever known that my purpose was to teach people about money? But it was a passion of mine because as you know,

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every time they print money, the rich get richer but the poor middle class get poorer. So we’re printing a trillion dollars every 90 days now. So those who own real assets like Waiku cattle gold silver real estate oil we get richer. But what else goes up in price is food, like chicken and eggs. You can’t afford eggs today. So every time you print fake money, which is what I saw back when I was 17 years old,

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when you print fake money, guys like us get richer, but my friends and family get poorer because no financial education in school. Now let’s drill down into that for a second. Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, the BRICS nations for 16, almost 17 years, they’ve been hoarding the earth’s gold. Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. These countries are not screwing around. They’ve been hoarding the earth’s gold in preparation to do what? Well, Putin has announced a great expansion of the BRICS block. And now you have, I’m just giving a rough average here,

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but now you have the majority of the Earth’s assets are controlled by these nations that identify with the BRICS block. And these countries have a stated goal of introducing a gold-backed programmable currency. I don’t think the average person knows that.

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And I don’t think the average person knows that. And I don’t think the average person knows that the United States enjoys an incredible privilege as the world’s reserve currency since the Bretton Woods Agreement. I don’t think people know that. I know that because of your teaching and others,

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but most people do not know that. So could you maybe articulate or explain, Robert Kiyosaki, for our listeners out there, why do our listeners need to know that Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, those countries are hoarding the earth’s gold and attempting to introduce a new reserve currency? Because I think it was J.P. Morgan or somebody that said, gold is money, the rest is credit or debt. And gold is the only money there is, according to

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that’s in his theory. So that’s what I tell the story of flying behind enemy lines, it’s Gresham’s law, we know what real money from fake money. But my greatest concern here is this, if we don’t make changes in what we teach ourselves and our kids, the poverty in America

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is gonna go through the roof. Because we’re now the biggest debtor nation in the world. And you know like what they’re teaching us now is D.E.I. What about teaching us money. I don’t think it’s a mistake. That’s my concern. It drives me on. It drives me on drives me on. I love my country to tourism right now. But why does a school system not teach us anything about the truth about money. So gold is money. I call it God’s money. God, gold and silver are God’s money. And Bitcoin is people’s money. The dollar is fake

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money. And the fake, the more fake money we produce, which we do every day now, the greater the poverty goes up, inflation wipes out the middle class and poor, but guys like me get richer, because I own gold mines.

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Now, Robert, you know, I want to tie this into your relationship with Eric Trump, because you are coming to our business conference here in March, and Eric Trump speaks so highly about you. I’m working with Eric on his new book,

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and so I was with him two Mondays ago, finalizing some language on the book. And Eric’s putting out his first book here at an age where he’ll probably be the same age his father was when his father put out the art of the deal. So his father put out,

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Donald J. Trump put out the art of the deal at age 41 and Eric is putting together a book at a similar age. So it’s really exciting to see him and do that. And he speaks super highly of you. Now, Steve, we were at, we did, Eric and I’ve done 25 events together. Right. And you were stage side at one of the events. And I never know what Steve’s going to say to people he just met. All I know, I think, I think you told Eric, you said, Hey I was kind of in shock, you know, when you meet somebody like that, that obviously we all have a lot of respect for. Yeah. But Laura was the icon that night, I think.

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Everyone wanted to see Laura?

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Yeah, he married up.

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Okay, well, I got to ask you, so now that you have met Eric, and Robert is very good friends with the Trump family, what question would you have for Robert Kiyosaki about working with the Trump family, hunting with the Trump family. What question would you have? Well, I think the perception that a lot of us, uh, supporters of them have is that they’re just, uh, super down to earth, normal guys, which is what I kind of got in my quick meeting with Eric that I have.

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Uh, can you talk a little bit about that, about like your interactions with them? And what, you know, some people are just, uh, a little different when they’re on their own, but I would imagine that they’re pretty down to earth guys.

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Is that accurate?

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Amen, brother. I go to this private island in Hawaii called Niihau, if that’s personal permission. We fly in via helicopter. There’s no toilets, no running water, nothing. And we go there to hunt.

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And you get to know people pretty closely when you got no toilets, nothing. And we go there to hunt. And you get to know people pretty closely. But they got nothing and you’re sleeping on the outside. We had to catch our own food. And those young boys, young men now, they’re such well, the best young men. I could’ve got, sorry, I was,

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we’re driving to the airport, catch the helicopter on the island of Hawaii to Niihau. And Don Jr. and Eric were talking to their sister. She was dating some guy, I think the guy she married. And they were giving her recipes to, so she could cook for her future husband. I said, who in the world taught you guys recipes? Our mother.

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And it goes back to the mother also. So I said, our mother was a strong, strong woman. So anyway, it does take a family. And I think that’s what’s really quite shocking is the number of single moms raising boys today.

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It’s tragic, tragic. Now, Dr. Z, you do a form of hunting. Some might today. It’s tragic, tragic.

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Now, Dr. Z, you do a form of hunting. Some might call it foe hunting, where Robert Kiyosaki, Eric’s told me that he actually has been hunting with Robert Kiyosaki on multiple occasions where they’re out there for multiple days. They’re in a situation where they’re kind of removed

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from the accoutrements of modern life. They’re sort of off the grid. Dr. Z, can you share with Robert Kiyosaki here about your approach to hunting? I think your approach to hunting is a little bit different.

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Well, I’m more of a gentleman hunter, I guess you would say. High fence is kind of my friend. And, you know, they don’t actually tie the animal to the tree, but, you know, they don’t actually tie the animal to the tree, but, you know, it is kind of almost a guaranteed hunt, wink wink, if you know what I mean.

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And then we retire to the fire pit area where we have a cigar and maybe a beverage of your

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choice.

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Real quick, this is a true story here. Dr. Z, I’ve listened to an unhealthy amount of Robert Kiyosaki’s podcasts, and I’ve spent an unhealthy amount of time with you. And you two guys are so similar. So when Robert comes to the event in Tulsa,

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I’m having, we’re organizing a dinner that night for a couple of the speakers. I’m gonna make sure you two guys get to know each other because you are so similar in every checkbox and you guys are both so excited about teaching success. So I wanna go back to this idea of teaching success. There’s somebody watching this show right now

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and you are in a hypnotic rhythm. Somebody watching, I’m talking to you right now, you’re in a hypnotic rhythm where you go to work, you go to church, you go home. I’ll repeat. You go to work, you go to church, you go home.

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Again, you go to work, you go to church, you go home. You’re 37. You go to work, you go to church, you go home. You’re 52. And there’s somebody needs to just wake up. There’s something that has to happen. I grew up without money and Robert Kiyosaki,

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your book was, my boss, Jeremy Thorne said, Clay, I’m a 19 year old working at Faith Highway and Impact Productions, it’s a call center. He says, you need to read Rich Dad, Poor Dad. And I said, why? He said, because you’re going 90 miles an hour

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in a circular motion. You’re like a boat without a rudder. I see the energy you’re putting into it. I’m a couple years older than you, and I really think you need to read this book.” And just the discipline of knowing,

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okay, here’s the path. I’m gonna go from being an employee to self-employed, to being a business owner, to being an investor. That was so freeing for me. And then 2005, meeting with Sean Copeland and Dr. Z and a handful of guys who kept telling me, just save a set percentage of your income. Just save, and just that discipline of take 25%

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of my income, buy gold, 25% buy real estate from emotional people. That let me know there was a proven path. What do you say to somebody right now who’s watching this, Robert Kiyosaki, and they’re for some reason,

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they’ve been in that hypnotic rhythm. They’ve been drifting, which I think is more dangerous than going the wrong way, because you don’t know how bad it’s getting. What do you say to somebody who needs that wake-up call, sir? Well, you’ve got to seek teacher. Who are your teachers? Like Dr. Z, you know, I would seek him out, and I sought my rich dad out. And it came from the story of the three wise men, not very religious, but I had to go to Sunday school. And my Sunday school teacher said, why were the three wise men wise?

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And I said, because they were rich.

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And she goes, what?

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I’m seven years old, they were rich.

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She goes, why do you say that? I said, one had gold, one had frankincense, and one had myrrh. That’s why they’re wise. She goes, that’s not it. So I said, well, why were they wise?

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She says, they were seeking the best teacher. That became a guiding lesson in my life that I’ve had numerous types of rich dads and rich women, but I wanna seek the people who are actually doing it, not theorizing it. So I was in the MBA program,

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I was sound asleep, and this guy was telling me stuff he’d never done before.

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Do you know what I mean?

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How can you teach kids when you haven’t done it before? That’s like when I went to Vietnam, I saw it, you know, like this thing here

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before I was teaching at Camp Pendleton.

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And I said I wanted to know who was the best pilot,

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the best gunship pilot. His name was Captain Forrester. And so I was at Camp Pendleton, California, and I saw Captain Forrester out as a captain. Forrester teach me. And he taught me stuff they don’t teach you in flight school, how to stay alive, how to fight, how to gun, how to hit trees.

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And so you always want to seek the best teacher. And I still do the same thing today. I still seek the best teacher.

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Now, Robert Kiyosaki, one thing I noticed a lot, and Dr. Z, I’m sure you’ve seen it a lot I meet people all the time that come into my life and they say you know, I’ve got 400,000 followers on twitter and I go what’s that’s incredible. That’s actually more than I have is going to thank you and they’ll say inside here’s the thing I don’t actually have

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any money and I hear that all the time I have I want to talk I got a million followers on TikTok. It happens, I mean, at every business conference I’ve done, and I have spoken at business conferences for now 20 years doing this, and when people will show up, and they do it all the time, and it’s becoming increasingly normal for somebody who’s a beautiful-looking man or woman,

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and they’ll come to me and they’ll say, I’ve got 170,000 followers on Instagram. I’m kind of a big deal on Instagram, you know, I don’t have any actual customers. And they’re constantly feeding the beast, making videos, making viral videos about how to get rich. And then the videos keep getting shorter because, you know, the shorts get more views, right? So now they’re doing like 14 second videos where they go, they’re adding music to it

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and the videos are getting dumber and shorter and they’re getting more viral and they’re making less money and they’re spending more of their time making these videos. Robert Kiyosaki, what do you say about the world of charlatanism that we live in? Where all these fake influencers

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who keep making increasingly shorter and dumber videos, what are your thoughts on that?

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Well, first of all, I think YouTube is a tremendous educational platform for good and bad. So you’ve got to really again, choose your teachers wisely as anything else. So the biggest, best lesson sits in the back here. I think you do it and Dr. Z does it.

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Once you learn something, if you really want to learn it, you got to teach it. Teaching is one of the highest gifts you can give yourself. But like when I meet people like you, I was at the gym yesterday, and these young guys come up to me to say,

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thank you, you changed my life. That’s the biggest juice there is. You know, when you get back what you’ve learned, you’ve actually earned it then. So I created the board game, so that once you learn the game,

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then you can teach others. And that’s how we change the world. People people is better than going to school.

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I’m going to pull this up real quick. So our listeners can see this the website here, rich dad.com rich dad.com. That’s where you can purchase the board game. Sir, is there a better place you want to direct people to what’s where’s the best place to buy the cash flow board game? Where can we go there, sir?

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Well, it’s on the Rich Dad website. I don’t do that. My company does all that.

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No problem. I’m going there right now. I’ll put a link on the show notes, richdad.com. See, I’m clicking on the store button here. I’m clicking, I’m pushing through Carpal Tunnel. I’m doing it, I’m clicking on the products button. I’m scrolling down. I’m pushing, I’m pushing. Now I’m gonna, now I encourage everybody out there. Current and this is what I’m asking.

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I’m asking everybody out there that doesn’t hate themselves to go right now to richdad.com. If you hate yourself, don’t worry about it. But if you don’t hate yourself, go to richdad.com and you’ll scroll under products, buy a copy of the physical game there. That’s called Action Number One. Called Action Number Two,

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there’s this incredible podcast on YouTube called The Rich Dad Radio Show. I listen to this show everywhere I go. And I find myself listening to things like Octonon Verba and it takes me like seven times to get that concept through my cranium. And there’s a lot of shows that are not the Rich Dad Show,

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so you want to go to the official Rich Dad channel. There’s a lot of people that want to be the Rich Dad channel, but they’re not, so you go up here to YouTube. You got to find… I’ll put a link on the show notes as well. You need to subscribe. Two, or the copy of the board game. Two, subscribe on YouTube. And then three, as of right now, we

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have 38 tickets left for the in-person workshop coming up here March 6th and 7th. And the way it’s going to go is we’re going to do a 90-minute Q&A session with Robert Kiyosaki.

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Nice.

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And a 90-minute session with Eric Trump. Nice. A lot of conferences, people talk at you. This will be different because it’s the Q&A format. It’s the Q&A format. So see, just to kind of demonstrate.

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So you’re saying if I get a ticket and I show up, I can ask Special K a question?

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Any question that you want. And it’s going to be a great environment. It’ll be about 300 people here. So it’s going to be very interactive. We have scholarship tickets available to make it affordable for everybody. So Z, just to demonstrate the power of the Q and the A here, in the final five minutes we have Robert Kiyosaki. I’m going to give you the opportunity, sir,

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to ask your final Q, and then he can provide an A. And then Steve, you have a question as well. So Robert Zellner, Dr. Zellner, what question would you have for Robert Kiyosaki?

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You know, I love board game growing up, Robert Kiyosaki? Monopoly.

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Yeah.

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Mark Greenhouse. Okay, I’m going to ask you a question. This is going deep. If you could own any color group on the board, think about this, any color group on the board, which one gave you the best return? Let’s see how much you know Monopoly.

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You’re asking me? Yes, he’s asking you, sir. Let’s see how much you know Monopoly.

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You asking me? Dude. Yes, he’s asking you, sir.

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Dude, dude, dude, dude.

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The green ones.

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Oh.

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Okay, now you’re two fellow board gamers. So somebody out there who’s a big Monopoly fan, that resonated.

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Here’s the one that I did. The math, the dice, the orange were always the best.

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Really? Is that right?

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The orange were always the best. The houses were cheaper, you better return, and more likely for people to land on them. I’m just telling you. Orange is where it’s at.

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What I’m going to do at this VIP dinner is I’m going to make sure there’s a room sectioned off so you two can get into Monopoly and really have that debate. That’s my secret sauce.

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I just gave away my secret sauce to the game. I’m going to be, you know, I shouldn’t have said that.

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Now Steve Currington, final question. What question would you have for Robert Kiyosaki, sir?

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Are you still flying? Do you ever get up in the left seat of that Lear 60? Or no, no, no, no, it’s called proficiency. You lose your touch really quickly. Yep. So it’s best I stay, unless somebody was flying every day.

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So I sit in the back.

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Now, Robert Kiyosaki, I’m gonna pull this up real quick. You’re the one of the listeners to see this again here. On Amazon, you wrote a book called Rich Dad Poor Dad. And most people know you because of that book. That book is an incredible book. I encourage everybody to buy a copy of that book.

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Also, you wrote The Rich Dad Guide to Investing. I mean, that thing is so hot. That book, I’m telling you folks, if you haven’t picked up that book, Rich Dad Guide to Investing, that book is great. The book you wrote with Donald J. Trump,

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Why We Want You to become rich. I don’t know if people know about these books. I think some of our listeners do, some of them don’t. I’m telling you, if you’re saying, hey, listen, it’s January and you wanna get a headstart on next year’s Christmas presents, pick up these books, get a copy of the board game.

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Robert Kiyosaki, I’m gonna give you the say you, sir? I like what Maria Montessori, you know, she was a great educational entrepreneur. She says what the hand does, the mind remembers. So in other words, you want to play golf, you better pick up a golf club. And the reason the board game is so powerful is you have to do all four intelligence, mental, emotional, spiritual, physical. That’s how we learn the best.

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And then you go to real life.

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Robert Kiyosaki, thank you so much, sir. I really do appreciate you investing your most important asset with us, which is your time. Thank you so much, sir. And we’ll see you in Tulsa, Oklahoma very soon, sir.

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My honor, I’m looking forward to Clay. Thank you.

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Thank you. Take care, brother. Take care. Bye-bye. Clay Clark is here somewhere.

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Where’s my buddy Clay?

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Clay is the greatest.

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I met his goats today.

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I met his dogs.

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I met his chickens. I saw his compound. He’s like the greatest guy.

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I ran from his goats, his chickens, his dogs.

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So this guy is like the greatest marketer you’ve ever seen, right? His entire life, Clay Clark, his entire life is marketing.

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Okay, Aaron Antis, March 6th and 7th, March 6th and 7th, guess who’s coming to Tulsa, Russia?

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Ooh, Santa Claus?

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No, no, that’s March, March 6th and 7th, you’re gonna be joined by Robert Kiyosaki. Robert Kiyosaki, best-selling author of Rich Dad Poor Dad, probably the best-selling or one of the best-selling business authors of all time. And he’s going to be joined with Eric Trump. He’ll be joined by Eric Trump. We got Eric Trump and Robert Kiyosaki in the same place. In the same place. Aaron, why should everybody show up to hear Robert Kiyosaki? Well, you got billions of dollars of business experience

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between those two, not to mention many, many, many millions of books have been sold. Many, many millionaires have been made from the books that have been sold by Robert Kiyosaki. I happen to be one of them. I learned from the man.

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He was the inspiration.

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That book was the inspiration for me to get the entrepreneurial spirit, as many other people.

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Now, since you won’t brag on yourself, I will. You’ve sold billions of dollars of houses, am I correct?

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That is true.

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And the book that kick-started it all for you, Rich Dad Pornhub, the best-selling author of Rich Dad Pornhub, Robert Kiyosaki, the guy that kick-started your career. Yeah. He’s going to be here. He’s going to be here. I’m pumped. And now Eric Trump, people don’t know this, but the Trump Organization has thousands of

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employees. There’s not 50 employees. The Trump Organization, again, most people don’t know this, but the Trump Organization has thousands of employees. the 45th president of these United States and soon to be the 47th president of these United States. He needed someone to run the companies for him. And so the man that runs the Trump organization for Donald J. Trump as he was the 45th president

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of the United States and now the 47th president of the United States is Eric Trump. So Eric Trump is here to talk about time management, promoting from within, marketing, branding, quality control, sales systems, workflow design, workflow mapping, how to build. I mean, everything that you see, the Trump hotels, the Trump golf courses, all their products, the man who manages billions of dollars of real estate and thousands of employees

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is here to teach us how to do it.

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You are talking about one of the greatest brands on the planet from a business standpoint. I mean, who else has been able to create a brand like the Trump brand? I mean, look at it. And this is the man behind the business for the last, pretty much since 2015. He’s been the man behind it. So you’re talking, we’re into nine, going into 10 years of him running it. And we get to tap into that knowledge that’s gonna be amazing. Now think about this for a second you know would you buy a ticket just to see Robert Kiyosaki and Eric Trump of course you would of course you would but we’re also

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gonna be joined by Sean Baker this is the best-selling author the guy who invented the carnivore diet oh yeah dr Sean Baker, he’s been on Joe Rogan multiple times. He’s going to be joining us. So you’ve got Robert Kiyosaki, the best-selling author of Rich Dad Poor Dad, Eric Trump, Sean Baker. The lineup continues to grow and this is how we do our tickets here at the Thrive Time Show. If you want to get a VIP ticket, you can absolutely do it. It’s $500 for a VIP ticket. We’ve always done it that way. Now, if you want to take a general admission ticket, it’s $250 or whatever price you want to pay. And the reason why I do that, and the reason why we do that is because

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we want to make our events affordable for everybody. I grew up without money. I totally understand what it’s like to be the tight spot. So if you want to attend, it’s $250 or whatever price you want to pay. That’s how I do it.

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And it’s $500 for a VIP ticket. We only have limited seating here with the most people we’ve ever had in this building was for the Jim Brewer Presentation Jim Brewer came here that the legendary comedian Jim Brewer came to Tulsa and we had 419 people That were here 419 people. Yeah, and I thought to myself that there’s no more room I I felt kind of bad that a couple people had VIP seats In the men’s restroom. Oh, no, i’m just kidding. So I thought, you know what, we should probably add on. So we’re adding on what we call the upper deck,

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or the top shelf. So the seats are very close to the presenters. But we’re actually building right now. We’re adding on to the facility to make room to accommodate another 30 attendees or more. So again, if you want to get tickets for this event,

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all you have to do is go to Thrivetimeshow.com. Go to Thrivetimeshow.com. When you go to Thrivetimeshow.com, you’ll go there, you’ll request a ticket, boom. Or if you want to text me, if you want a little bit faster service,

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you say, I want you you, me, everybody. We’ll keep that private. And anybody, don’t share that with anybody except for everybody. That’s my private cell phone number. It’s 918-851-0102, 918-851-0102. I know we have a lot of Spanish-speaking people that attend these conferences.

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And so to be bilingually sensitive, my cell phone number is 918-851-0102.

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That is not actually bilingual.

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That’s just saying one for a one.

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It’s not the same thing.

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I think you’re attacking me. Now let’s talk about this. Now, what kind of stuff will you learn at the Thrive Time Show workshop? So Aaron, you’ve been to many of these over the past seven, eight years.

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So let’s talk about it. I’ll tee up the thing and then you tell me what you’re gonna learn here, okay? You’re gonna learn marketing, marketing and branding. What are we gonna learn about marketing and branding? Oh yeah, we’re gonna dive into, you know, so many people say, oh, you know, I gotta get my brand known out there, like the Trump brand, right?

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You wanna get that brand out there. It’s like, how do I actually make people know business is and make it a household name. You’re gonna learn some intricacies of how you can do that. You’re gonna learn sales. So many people struggle to sell something. This just in, your business will go to hell if you can’t sell, so we’re gonna teach you sales.

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We’re gonna teach you search engine optimization, how to come up top in the search engine results. We’re gonna teach you how to manage people. Aaron, you have managed, no exaggeration, hundreds of people throughout your career and thousands of contractors, and most people struggle with managing people. Why does everybody have to learn how to manage people? Well, because first of all, people are, you

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either have great people or you have people who suck, and so it could be a challenge. You know, learning how to work with a large group of people and get everybody pulling in the same direction can be a challenge. But if you have the right systems, you have the right processes, and you’re really good at selecting great ones,

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and we have a process we teach about how to find great people. When you start with the people who have a great attitude, they’re teachable, they’re driven, all of those things, then you can get those people all pulling in the same direction.

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So we’re gonna teach you branding, marketing, sales, search engine optimization, we’re gonna teach you accounting, we’re gonna teach you personal finance, how to manage your finance, we’re gonna teach you time management, how do you manage your time, how do you get more done during a typical day,

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how do you build an organization if you’re not organized? How do you do organization? How do you build an org chart? Everything that you need to know to start and grow a business will be taught during this two-day interactive business workshop. Now let me tell you how the format is set up here.

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And again, folks, this is a two-day interactive 15, think about this, folks. It’s two days. Each day it starts at 7 AM, and it goes until 5 PM. So from 7 AM to 5 PM, two days. It’s a two-day interactive workshop. The way we do it is we do a 30-minute teaching session, and then we break for 15 minutes for a question-and-answer

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session. So Aaron, what kind of great stuff happens during that 15-minute question-and-answer session after every teaching session. I actually think it’s the best part about the workshops because here’s what happens. I’ve been to lots of these things over the years.

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I’ve paid many thousands of dollars to go to them. And you go in there and they talk in vague generalities and they’re constantly upselling you for something, trying to get you to buy this thing or that thing or this program or this membership. And you don’t, you leave not getting

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your very specific questions answered about your business or your employees or what you’re doing on your marketing. And what’s awesome about this is we literally answer every single question that any person asks. And it’s very specific to what your business is. And what we do is we we allow you as the attendee to write your questions on the whiteboard. Yeah. And

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then we literally, as you mentioned, we answer every single question on the whiteboard. And then we take a 15 minute break to stretch and to make it entertaining when you’re stretching. And this is a true story. When you get up and stretch, you’ll be greeted by mariachis.

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There’s gonna probably be alpaca here, a llamas, helicopter rides, a coffee bar, a snow cone. I mean, there’s just, you had a crocodile one time.

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That was pretty interesting.

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You know, I should write that down.

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Sorry for that one guy that we lost.

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The crocodile, we duct taped its face. So that, right, we duct taped. No, it was a baby crocodile. And we duct taped. Yeah, duct taped around the mouth so it didn’t bite anybody.

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But it was really cool We’ll pass that thing around and pass it. I should do that. We have a small petting zoo that will be assembled. It’s going to be great. And then you’re in the company of hundreds of entrepreneurs. So there’s not a lot of people in America today. In fact, there’s less than 10 million people today, according to US Debt Clock, that identify as being self-employed.

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So if you have a country with 350 million people, that means you have less than 3% of our population that’s even self-employed. So you only have 3 out of every 100 people in America that are self-employed to begin with. And when Inc. Magazine reports that 96% of businesses fail by default, by default, you have a 1 out of 1,000 chance of succeeding in the game of business. But yet the average client that you and I work with, we can typically double this.

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No hyperbole, no exaggeration. I have thousands of testimonials to back this up. We have thousands of testimonials to back it up. But when you work with a home builder, when I work with a business owner, we can typically double the size of the company

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within 24 months. Yeah. And you say double? Yeah, there’s businesses that we have tripled. There’s businesses we’ve grown 8x. There’s so many examples. You can see it thrive timeshow.com. But again, this is the most interactive best business workshop on the planet.

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This is objectively the highest rated and most reviewed business workshop on the planet. And then you add to that Robert Kiyosaki, the bestselling author of Rich Dad Poor Dad. You add to that Eric Trump, the man that runs the Trump Organization.

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You add to that Sean Baker. Now you might say, but Clay, is there more? I need more. Well, OK, Tom Wheelwright is the wealth strategist for Robert Kiyosaki. So people say, Robert Kiyosaki, who’s his financial wealth advisor? Who’s the guy who manages? Who’s his wealth strategist? His wealth strategist, Tom Wheelwright, will be here.

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And you say, Clay, I still, I’m not going to get a ticket unless you give me more. OK, fine. We’re going to serve you the same meal both days. True story. We cater in the food.

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And because I keep it simple, I literally bring in the same food both days for lunch. It’s Ted Esconzito’s, an incredible Mexican restaurant. That’s going to happen. And Jill Donovan, our good friend, who is the founder of Rustic Cuff. She started that company in her home, and now she sells millions of dollars of apparel and products. That’s rusticcuff.com. And someone says, I want more. This is not enough.

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Give me more.

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OK. I’m not going to mention their names right now, because I’m working on it behind the scenes here. But we’ve got one guy who’s given me a verbal to be here. And this is a guy who’s one of the wealthiest people in Oklahoma. And nobody really knows who he is, because he’s built systems that are very utilitarian, that

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offer a lot of value. He’s made a lot of money in the, it’s where you rent, it’s short term, it’s where you’re renting storage spaces. He’s a storage space guy. He owns the, what do you call that? The rental, the-

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A storage space?

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Storage units. This guy owns storage units. He owns railroad cars. He owns a lot of assets that make money on a daily basis, but they’re not like customer facing. Most people don’t know who owns the mini storage facility.

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Or most people don’t know who owns the warehouse that’s passively making money. Most people don’t know who owns the railroad cars. But this guy, he’s giving me a verbal that he will be here. And we just continue to add more and more success stories. So if you’re out there today and you want to change your life, you want to give yourself an incredible gift,

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you want a life-changing experience. You want to learn how to start and grow a company. Go to Thrivetimeshow.com. Go there right now. Thrivetimeshow.com. Request a ticket for the two-day interactive event. Again, the day here is March 6th and 7th. March 6th and 7th, we just got confirmation. Robert Kiyosaki, best-selling author, rich dad, poor dad, he’ll be here. Eric Trump Trump the man who leads the Trump organization it’s gonna be a blasty blast there’s no upsells I Aaron I could not be more excited about this event I think it is incredible and

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there’s somebody out there right now you’re watching and you’re like but I already signed up for this incredible other program called smoke your way to thin I think that’s gonna change your life I promise you this will be ten times better than that.

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It’s like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking. Don’t do the smoke your way to thin,

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conference. That is… I’ve tried it. Don’t do it. Yeah, chain smoking is not a viable… I mean, it is life-changing. It is life-changing. If you become a chain smoker, it is life-changing. It’s not the best weight loss program to play. Right. Not really. So if you’re looking to have life changing results in a way that won’t cause you to have a stoma, get your tickets at Thrivetimeshow.com. Again, that’s Aaron Antis. I’m Clay Clark reminding you and inviting you to come out to the two-day interactive Thrivetimeshow workshop right here in Tulsa, Oklahoma. I promise you it will be a life changing experience. We can’t wait to see you right here in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

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Yeah, so my name’s Kelsey Hershey, and my husband and I own Rock Haven Retrievers. We’ve been working with you guys for probably eight or nine months now since last May, and it’s been a great experience. So when we first started, leads was actually our biggest limiting factor.

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So we just, yeah, we were struggling to get some leads. We had great connections with people, but we were just hoping to grow a little more and a little faster than we were. So that was our biggest limiting factor. We’ve about doubled our leads,

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and so that is no longer our biggest limiting factor. We’ve about doubled our leads. And so that is no longer our biggest limiting factor right now. So that’s been great. Some of the things we worked on or fixed was we did, we were already doing some advertising. So we increased our advertising.

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Our website was kind of a mess. I mean, it was beautiful, but it wasn’t being found. So that was our biggest issue. So you guys helped make us more Google compliant. Our coach worked with us. That was amazing. Getting it where people can actually find us. So that has been really important. And then also getting really good

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high quality Google reviews, where people can, we’re in an industry that very much relies on trust. And so having those referrals and Google reviews has been really important for us. It’s had a huge impact. So just the stability and predictability that comes with a business coach.

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Honestly, that was the biggest thing for me. I really, um, appreciate, I know every morning, every Friday morning at 5am, we’re going to meet with Andrew, we’re going to go over our numbers, we’re going to talk about our biggest limiting factor, that way we can just kind of chink away at that. And so we can grow systematically, it’s not chaotic at all. And so having that and the way it impacts our family has been huge too, just because,

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yeah, we have, like I said, we’re very much family oriented. We have four kids. And so it’s really important to us that that it doesn’t become all about the business. And that is something I have really appreciated. Andrew actually cares about our marriage. He cares about our family and our kids. And keeping that all in line with what we have told him is our highest priorities has been really important. And honestly, if that wasn’t the case, we probably would not be doing business coaching. So

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that’s a very important part for us.

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You can either learn experience and bashing your head against the wall. Or you can talk to the guy that’s already got the jackhammer on the other side of the wall. And in my experience, it’s every dollar spent on coaching has returned to me like 100,000, 10,000 times. And it’s not just that, I got there so much faster.

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So people come in and they’re calling in, they’re already pre-sold. They’re saying, oh, like I’ve watched all your videos, blah, blah, blah. And it’s like, it’s just a matter of picking out which funky they want, as opposed to prior to that, it might be more like, I’m skeptical, blah.

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You know, there’s, we’ve broken through that whole wall of skepticism because there’s just so many people now singing our praises that aren’t us. It makes the sales job easier, it makes the marketing easier, it makes everything just so much more effective when we’ve got just, you know, it’s not just you got one testimonial, it’s you got, oh, I’m a feminist basket weaving artisan. Do you have a bunkee that works for me? And I go, well, here’s a video of a feminist basket weaving artisan raving about the bunkee.

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Just they can relate to that on that level.

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My saying is, if it’s important to you, hire a coach. And I think that’s one of the reasons people are not successful is they, you know, they eat a cheeseburger instead of hiring a coach, you know what I mean? And so my coach pushes me, they’re younger than me,

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they push harder, they’re trained. And as my rich dad always said, you know, amateurs don’t have a coach, but professionals always have coaches. So I’ve always had coaches for whatever was important. And my rich dad was one of those persons. I wanted to learn how to play Monopoly in real life. So he was my coach.

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What made you decide that you wanted maybe a mentor or an ongoing business coach to help you grow BunkyLife.com?

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So for me, it was just that I ultimately wanted to grow. So my thoughts are, I mean, how much are you gonna pay? It’s either gonna be the cost of trying to figure out in your own trial and error, or are you gonna pay someone else who’s been there and done that?

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And I’d rather just pay the bid there, done that price as opposed to the trial and error price, which is a lot more expensive.

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My saying is, if it’s important to you, hire a coach. And I think that’s one of the reasons people are not successful is they, you know, they eat a cheeseburger instead of hiring a coach, you know, I mean, and so my coach pushes me, they’re younger than me, they push harder, they’re, they’re trained. And as my rich dad always said, you know, amateurs don’t have a coach, but professionals always have coaches. So I’ve always had

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coaches for whatever was important. My rich dad was one of those persons. I wanted to learn how to play Monopoly in real life. I wanted to learn how to play Monopoly in real life. So he was my coach.

 

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