How to Win an Argument (Laws of Power by Robert Greene)

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Clay breaks down Laws of Power #8 and 9 and observed by best-selling author Robert Greene in his best-selling book, The 48 Laws of Power.

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DEFINITION MAGICIAN – Vaccine – A substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

Law 9: Win through your actions, never through argument.

NOTABLE QUOTABLE – “As I grow older, I pay less attention to what men say. I just watch what they do.” – Andrew Carnegie (The world’s wealthiest man who had to begin working at the age of 13 to support his family)

NOTABLE QUOTABLE – “I find it remarkable that I can explain the reality of a situation to people and still not change their point of view. The facts are very plain and the reasoning is very clear, but they still won’t agree with the conclusion. It’s crazy. Rather than learn from their experiences, they choose instead to engage in wishful thinking. Perhaps it’s more comfortable than reality. But I think that wishful thinking is one of the most profound human failings, the major reason that people adhere so strongly to wrong ideas. This doesn’t mean that you can’t be optimistic. You simply have to be realistic as well.” – Elon Musk (One of the founders of PayPal and the man behind Tesla, SpaceX, and SolarCity)


  • Most employees (humans) steal (are not good people) from the workplace and most do so repeatedly.


      1. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce estimates that 75% of employees steal from the workplace and that most do so repeatedly. –  
      2. 85 Percent of Job Applicants Lie on Resumes. Here’s How to Spot a Dishonest Candidate –


  • A smartphone is more of a distraction and a hindrance to most people than it is a helpful tool.


  1. NOTABLE QUOTABLE – “I don’t think modern science has good answers here. I think that modern world is actually really bad. The modern world is full of distractions. Things like Twitter and Facebook are not making you happy. They are making you unhappy. You are essentially playing a game that’s created by the creators of those systems, and yes, it can be a useful game once in a blue moon. You are engaging in the dispute, and resentment, comparison, jealousy, anger about things that frankly just don’t matter.” – Naval Ravikant (Naval Ravikant is the CEO and a co-founder of AngelList. He previously co-founded Epinions (which went public as part of and He is an active Angel investor, and have invested in dozens of companies, including Twitter, Uber, Yammer, Stack Overflow, and Wanelo.)
  2. NOTABLE QUOTABLE – “I’ve never carried an iPhone.” – Paul Graham (The co-founder of Y-Combinator, the man who built Viaweb (one of the first online shopping carts) and sold it to Yahoo for $49.6 million, the mentor and partner behind AirBnB, Dropbox, Reditt, etc.)
  3. FACT – ‘Our minds can be hijacked’: the tech insiders who fear a smartphone dystopia –
  4. DEFINITION – Dystopia – A place of state in which everything is unpleasant or bad, typically a totalitarian environmentally degraded one.
  5. FACT – Cognitive capacity and overall brain power are significantly reduced when your smartphone is within glancing distance—even if it’s turned off and face down—according to a recent study. This new report from the University of Texas at Austin, “Brain Drain: The Mere Presence of One’s Own Smartphone Reduces Available Cognitive Capacity,(link is external)” was published in the Journal of the Association for Consumer Research. During this study, the UT Austin researchers found that someone’s ability to hold and process data significantly improved if his or her smartphone was in another room while taking a test to gauge attentional control and cognitive processes. Participants who kept their phones in a pocket or bag also outperformed those who kept their phones on the desk while taking the same test. Again, even if the phone was turned off and face down on the desk, the mere sight of one’s own smartphone seemed to induce “brain drain” by depleting finite cognitive resources. In June 2016, another study reported that the typical smartphone owner interacts with his or her phone an average of 85 times per day. This includes immediately upon waking up, just before going to sleep, and oftentimes in the middle of the night. –

Law 10: Infection: avoid the unhappy and unlucky.  

  1. NOTABLE QUOTABLE – “Surround yourself with only people who are going to lift you higher.” – Oprah Winfrey (TV icon, actress, talk-show host, etc.)
  2. NOTABLE QUOTABLE – “You are the average of the five people you most associate with.” – Tim Ferriss (The best-selling author of The Four Hour Work Week and an early stage investor in Twitter, Uber, Facebook, etc.)
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3 2 1 broadcasting live from the center of the universe, presenting the world’s only business coach led school without the bs with optometrist and talk to her dr. Robert zoellner and he ussba entrepreneur of the year clay clark get ready to enter the thrive time show on talk, radio 1170 on your radio and podcast download clark on the former ussba entrepreneur of the year and I’m joined here with the renowned business coach, eric shop and and the co-author of the amazon best-selling book start here, which all of our listeners can download for free. Simply by going to thrive time should i,. You can download the e-book version of start here or if you’d rather buy the book. Your buy the book, the physical, tangible copy of the book. You can get that amazon.Com marshall. How are you my friend, I’m doing a spectacularly I’m feeling good in the man cave? What we’re doing today is we are. We are teaching how to vaccinate yourself against the 48 laws of power. He said the 48 laws of power is a new york, times best-selling book written by robert greene and what he did is he basically studied successful people and some of the shady things they did to get there now. I am the person who I’m a person who believes that you know if you gain the world but lose your soul. What’s the point, that’s what I want to do is I want to teach you how to vaccinate yourself against some of these power. Moves to a vaccination is basically a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and to provide immunity against one or several diseases prepared from the causative agent of the disease to you. So that way you can make yourself against people that use a smooth number. 9 number 9 says win through your actions, never through argument. This is an actual law that I agree with because it doesn’t conflict with my religious views, the bible’s, my more compass, but this is a notable quotable come in hot from andrew carnegie. He says as I grow older I pay less attention to what men say:i just watch what they do. Bear okay, so he started working at the age of 13 to support his family through on your up to become where the world’s wealthiest people, if she was the world’s wealthiest person and then john rockefeller surpassed him, must cousin notable quotable. He says to us:i find it remarkable that I can explain the reality of a situation to people and still not change their point of view.

The fax, her very plain in the reasoning is very clear, but they still won’t agree with the conclusion. It’s crazy experiences they choose instead to engage and wishful thinking. Perhaps it’s more comfortable than reality, but I think that wishful thinking is one of the most profound human failings. The major reason that people in here so strongly to wrong ideas doesn’t mean that you can’t be optimistic. You simply have to be realistic as well. Your actions, never through argument i, would say the best way to win. An business coach argument is to not have an argument so think about it. The elephant in the room we have three great locations. They have our building. An outstanding team of employees are really becoming a galvanized solid team. Year ago, that came to me and said:hey i, just don’t want to work downtown right now, I said:okay, we have three locations. You get broken arrow we’ve got to south tulsa me at downtown. Why don’t you want to work downtown the people there, the people downtown the people who work there. Just difficult and I said we. Could you name the specific people I just so you know I said I said:is there any other reason they said well, I do live in broken arrow beat the court issue. What do you actually didn’t like the business coach people, but you didn’t want to tell your boss that I hate literally it’s a block away from my house and it be more convenient for me. So I’m going to I’m going to throw throw the ball to you chop and i, don’t throw it to marshall. You see this all the time where you’ll see somebody. Typically our clients and hire us are very fact-based. This is what I see I would say if we had 9 clients that reach out to us to say, I want a help growing my business for them, the the under thing, the teammate, the person who’s the employee.

They don’t want to do the action items. There’s example. You would tell your client in order to get to the top of google. What we need to do is we need to go ahead and make your site google canonical compliant. Forget we’re going to some updates behind the scenes to do that, for you and also I need you to provide me a thousand words of content per page every single page clients as well. Why do I give a thousand you say your website looking at least a password, and it’s very it’s very logical and they said cool so sarah. Could you write the business coach content for me and sarah said works for your client and now you come to the next meeting and sarah did not write the client, and rather than saying you know what I ran out of time. I didn’t plan, I’m lazy, I just chose not to do it. They will typically they’re not they cannot be quiet, but the person works for the client write. Someone a miscarriage want to argue with you. I was talking to my cousin’s buddy, and they were talking about how search engine optimization. It’s really it’s all about. You know you got to get ahold of you, spinners and they’re, going to give you content and I had to write the original.

If I was going to write the content and I thought to myself, is it better just to not write the car that you really I mean who reads it anyway? So I would say it’s abby and I’m just reading it and I just realized that I’m just not going to do that so I copied some pics from another website which is better beautiful tech. It’s awesome, you did not and I both know. I found some pictures taken from some screenshots I want you just to put that on a cyclist, faster right, i, almost every time, because it requires action. These things require all to actually do something. People work for a client, never seen this kind of scenario. So what you see a lot of times in businesses is somebody’s waiting to become inspired or motivated to begin taking action. We need to get a hundred reviews from past clients. That’s right! That’s right, and you told me to do it right and yeah I work for the client., the, client, client and I say you know, I’m, just not really motivated to do it right now, but i, don’t say it out loud. Instead, I question the validity of the strategy. That’s right! You question the validity of the strategy in your life. You know what once I get motivated one waiting for that inspiration. I bet, I’m, waiting till I’m in the right place in my business. To begin starting to do this. You know this week. You wasn’t really a good fit I’m waiting to feel business coach inspired. I’m waiting for the divine intervention. Allow me to start getting those reviews, but here’s the thing is, the inspiration will never come first. The motivation will never come first. The action is what creates that information there and so was robert greene’s talking about his win through your actions.

Never through argument, he saying don’t explain your way to freedom, don’t explain your way into being motivated. Don’t try to explain your way to being inspired. You just got to start doing something, and so, if you are hearing this and I’m sure, none of our listeners are are waiting for that inspiration. They’re just getting out there pounding the pavement and just doing the things that they need to do. It’s other people, but you have to begin taking action and you have to demonstrate your effectiveness. You have to demonstrate action. So here’s an example:the elephant in the room, men’s grooming lounge, is on the verge of the franchising and franchise. It’s going to have a lot of locations, and you know why, because it works. But you know why it works. It works because it was system for everything, and you know what there are people in my life. Many people, many many people have told me dude, that’s not going to work. Man like it’s just not going to work like you did a business coach membership for hair there’s nobody else. Who is going to do that? There’s no one’s going to do a membership for hair and, furthermore, furthermore I’m not going to work. The problem. Is he right now? If you could come to the office I’m, not going to argue with you, I would just say that we did in fact turn down 300 haircuts this week, because our team is fully booked. So we don’t have a supply and demand problem. We need more supply, but the people that would just want to argue with me. Another example of how many just give you some some truth cannons that every time I share these things with people. They argue, but you asked me so this will happen. Is a client will say to me. I feel, like somebody on my team might be struggling to account for the cash and I say so:they’re, stealing, just struggling zeroing out the register and I would say:cuz I’m feeling they’re, not good at  business coach math, and they would say, there’s all these. Do you want to avoid the I would assume that everyone who works for you steal, because most humans steal from the workplace knows that what that’s just not true, your negative and I would say. Okay, so, according to cbs news, you might that’s not a credible source and the us chamber is not credible, either. Okay, cording to to discredit organizations that 75% of employees steal from the workplace and most do so repeatedly. I would side it’s on the show notes.

Then I would say. Furthermore, 85% of job applicants are lying on resumes 85%, you would say:i, don’t agree with you, so I could show you, the fax from ink magazine. You might see ink magazine that that’s a bunch of crap more like stink, magazine, street glide, get to be better here. Buzz! Look it up. The issue you have is hidan, no matter how great the strategies are, that I’m teaching you no matter how great those strategies are, nothing works and let they do they have to take action and see what happens is his that they’re not working at work, and they did say I know, but my people are good people and I would say yet again. Most people are not good people. What you’re so negative I would say. Business coach Forbes shows you the number of people who now admit to wasting time at work. Everyday is a whopping 89% 89% of people are wasting time at work. Yes, then I would tell the clients he had a band smartphones from the office, because back in the day you see, if you wanted to look at pornography what you have to do, what you have to go to a pornography store. He said they called the bookstore that called tropical in the adult adult cook, so you would have to travel by vehicle by road to get there now people are just a click away on their phone from adult content back in the day.

If you want to waste time, you have to go to the bathroom and just kind of waste time there now the smartphone can could show that some was working but they’re, not the laptop and show someone’s working but they’re. Not so again. The smartphone is now more of a distraction and a head hurts the most people that it is a helpful tool and they would say I just don’t agree with that. I would pull up. The statistics and I would show that you know all the statistics are showing, according to psychology today, that people are now being interrupted. This is crazy. What article is your smartphone making you dumb is showing 70 times a day. People are interrupted, are smartphones, making a stupid and it shows the average person being interrupted 85 times per day. So it’s growing to the ball. Robert hunt, the ceo and co-founder of angellist said i. Don’t think modern science has good business coach answers here. I think of the modern world is really bad. The modern world is full of distractions. Things like twitter and facebook, which is faster, are not making you happy they’re making you unhappy. You are essentially playing a game, it’s created by the creators of those system, and yes, it could be useful game once in a blue moon. You are engaging in dispute resentment comparison, jealousy anger about things that, frankly, don’t matter. Paul graham, the co-founder of y combinator. The guy behind via web, was the first online shopping, cart, airbnb drop box reddit, he says I’ve, never carried an iphone. Think about this. I would have to encourage you right now, but sometimes you have to use heavy fax. If you do, if you’re going to get into an argument, you have to use fax with the things I’ve just told you right now, you’re probably struggling to mentally grasp. You’re, probably struggling to say most people are bad at smart phones are the worst thing ever yes and we come back we’re going to get into another light topic. It will be here. Infection avoid the unhappy and the unlucky number 10, where break it down laws of power and how to vaccinate yourself against them. Stay 2 agenda world’s best business workshop, led by america’s number one business coach for free by subscribing on itunes and leaving us an objective review. Claim your tickets by emailing is proof that you did and your contact information to info at drivetime, show.Com, podcast download, will break it down the 48 laws of power and how you are accepting vaccinate yourself against some of these really really terrible power moves used by people trying to get power at all cost you going to want to know these told you I told you lately.

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I just assumed that’s what they’re doing in there, but you go out of business owners trying to fix the people you stupid. They hire people that are chronically late chronically. Not getting your to-do list done. Constant emotional issues says you are the average of the five people you, most associated with temper. You are the average of the five people you, most associated with one who’s, tim ferriss, the best-selling author, the 4-hour workweek an early stage investor in twitter, facebook etc. So he is back my dad died of als i. Don’t recall not coming to work couple years back marshall your dad had heart problems:i, don’t recall you skipping months of work, I’ve had a pipe out of ceiling are completely collapsed and leak at my house. I’ve had ceiling collapsed and leak at one of our offices. We’ve been stolen from I’ve had why people buy vehicles using my name, without my permission, that’s a fun one. That’s got sick from eating off the floor once before the class actually want to get serious about making your office clean. You will go to the classic. Clean. You have to understand there certain people any type of situation. They have at home, marshall correctly called personal problem to a time when a client of ours asked if you would lead their team meetings to help their team sell more, and you had a weekly time to report time that weekly meeting was in the morning. It was morning time I was early, like maybe a 7 a.M. And how many of these for 5 geniuses of business coach customer service actually showed up one, maybe two and then a couple of showed up like late as in 45 minutes late to a one-hour meter box, then to become take. We move the time back. That’s so you move the time back now, there’s another week 2 times one time weekly time is like 9 a.M. 9 a.M. And then so now what percentage of them can make that meeting about the same percentage? Finally got there and you said, and they said no i, don’t use the scooby, see people the same geniuses, this same team of venus’s who could not show up on time for the meeting now they’re saying we change the script and then and then you said it’s important to follow the script, because if you’re not following the script and you’re not using a system, we cannot improve it because there is no consistency and they said I’m feeling under the weather i. We cannot make today’s meeting. Can we move to a different time? Buy an army of idiots idiots idiots?

Yes, I wanted to make the meeting, but I can’t do them. I was going to be at the meeting and what happened? Would you see we have this new janitorial service was coming to call the classic clean, and you said that I would like a good clean. I can eat off the floor, so I was eating off the flooring and I got distracted. I did not make my calls, but I did have a picnic on the floor. I got to set my alarm, you hear this yeah and one thing you know avoiding the unhappy and unlucky doctor’s. He talks about all the time you run with the dog. You get the dogs, you get the fleas right, so your your network will become your normal see if got to get these idiots. These people out of your life out of your business, just all out. You got to break that and if that’s normal for you break it, you got to break that and be weird, be different. Just do something to change your network to a quote:the method man, hey you get off, my, cloud, that this is a big thing, though right I’m, just telling you I see people all of the time, but just they that gets stuck with their career because they’re around it I would remember by dj with a dj business. I got stuck for like a year where I couldn’t grow past a million dollars of your sales, because the sales guys like man, we just we can’t go over 20,000 I’m, trying the economy right now, it’s just really. We can’t even more than that it at home or friends or whoever it is. If somebody is miserable all of time, they’re going to exhaust you as a business coach, so you have no energy to actually work in your business. So this is a law that I absolutely agree with. You got to avoid unhappy and unlucky people know we come back on the 11th, which is learn to keep depend a people dependent on you know. This is a law that I wrestle with the morality of it, some and I’m going to give you some biblical truth to it or break it down the 48 laws of power on law, number 11, / teaching how to vaccinate yourself against these power moves. I know some coders that intentionally break parts of the website and make it cost. Oh yeah, you was the owner should never actually fix your website, so that way there are always depend upon them and they can never be fired. I’ve seen these people, it’s bad, learn how to backside yourself against the 48 laws of power. When we return to drivetime, show radio


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