Moodtopia | Tame Your Moods, De-Stress and Find Balance with Sara Chana Silverstein

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Sara Chana Silverstein’s Book – Moodtopia: Tame Your Moods, De-Stress, and Find Balance Using Herbal Remedies, Aromatherapy, and More


Thrivenation on today’s show we are interviewing Master Herbalist by the name of Sara Chana Silverstein. Sara-Chana is a consultant to many obstetricians, midwives and pediatricians and guest lectures at medicinal schools throughout the nation. Sara-Chana, welcome onto the show how are you?

On today’s show I am going to be the devil’s advocate (not that he needs one) and I’m going to ask you 10 questions on behalf of any listeners that we have out there that may be skeptical of your work and your methods so that you can demonstrate your Master Herbalist Jedi knowledge on us.

Question 1, that I know many members of the Thrive Nation have for you is, what is a Master Herbalist and how does somebody go about becoming one?

  1. You have to have practiced for over 10 years, worked with over 1,000 clients and sit in front of a board and pass a test.

Question 2, your new book is called, Moodtopia, Tame Your Moods, De-Stress and Find Balance Using Herbal Remedies and Aromatherapy, how can you actually help members of the Thrive Nation to destress and to to finance balance?

  1. After having an office for over 26 years I noticed that even the people who look like they have their lives together would get stuck by certain emotions that would get in the way of their success.
    1. One out of five people are taking psychotropic drugs. Now these drugs help many, many people but are prescribed by doctors that are often times not even psychologists. I knew in my mind that the herbs can be taken when you need them and not when you don’t and they do not have the same side effects as the prescription.

DEFINITION MAGICIAN – Psychotropic drugs – Medical Definition of Psychotropic drug. Psychotropic drug: Any drug capable of affecting the mind, emotions, and behavior. Some legal drugs, such as lithium for bipolar disorder, are psychotropic. Many illicit drugs, such as cocaine, are also psychotropic.

Question 3 – Sarah, I saw on your website that the famous model, actress and Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition cover girl Christie Brinkley actually said, “I love a good shortcut to looking and feeling great; Sara-Chana’s tip help you get back to your best with nature’s best medicine.” What kind of shortcuts for looking and feeling great can our listeners expect to find in your new book?

  1. 3 Action Steps:
    1. Forest Bathing – actually walking through a forest and being by stress can actually help you relax. Studies show that trees emit essential oils as a protective measure but these oils are good for you when you breathe them in.
    2. When people work with the soil they can receive antidepressant chemicals right there in the soil
    3. Random Acts of Kindness.

Question 4, many people believe that Aromatherapy is a “woo-woo” concepts or mystical myth, how do you know that aromatherapy actually works?

  1. You do not have to know that it works. You do not have to want it to work. But our breathing system is associated with memories. Find smells that bring back good memories and use those to help when you are in hard times.

Question 5, Sara, my wife and I have 5 kids, but apparently you were were trying to outdo us and decided to have 7 kids. On a practical level, how can the content found in Moodtopia be helpful for the moms out there listening?

  1. My book can help mothers a lot . I am a lactation consultant and a dulha that has helped delver over 450 babies.
    1. I talk a lot about wearing clothes that fall within your personal color pallet.

Question 6, Sara, I’ve never obviously had a baby and even just the thought of having a baby impacts my mood, from the research you’ve done, how does having a baby impact the moods of women?

  1. Every woman is different. There are so many reactions and I want moms to remember that those reactions are fine.
    1. Just because you are frustrated that means there is probably something that needs to be changed in your life. Pay attention to the emotions that you have and use them as a tool for change.

Question 7, Sara, you’ve spent years researching as a Master Herbalist, from the research you’ve done are men or women naturally mood and why?

  1. I had a man in my office one time. I asked him questions for an hour and half and one herb kept coming to mind, Motherwort, which is usually reserved for women, but I prescribed him this and his wife called me a week later and said she didn;t know what I gave him but he had stopped complaining.

Question 8, Sara our listeners out there are very action-biased, on a very practical level what are a few action steps all of our listeners can take today to improve their moods on a daily basis?

  1. I love the studies of smiling, even if you are not in the mood for smiling.  

Question 9, Sara, I appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule to share with us about your new book, Moodtopia, for our listeners out there that want to pickup a copy of your book, what is the best place for our listeners to buy your book?

  1. Sara Chana Silverstein’s Book – Moodtopia: Tame Your Moods, De-Stress, and Find Balance Using Herbal Remedies, Aromatherapy, and More
    1. Amazon Link –
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Thrive nation. Welcome back to another exciting edition of the thrive time show on your radio and podcast downloads. And on today’s show we are interviewing the master herbalist by the name of Sara Chana Silverstein. Sara Chana Silverstein is a consultant to obstetricians, midwives and pediatrician since he guest lecturers at medical schools all throughout the nation. Sarah Ohana. Welcome onto the thrive time show. How are you?

Good. It’s a pleasure to meet you.

Well, I’m excited. I was. I was doing some deep dive research and my understanding is that a Christie Brinkley, the famous sports illustrated cover model. She actually is endorsing your newest book here. Mood Topia. How, how, how did you first meet Krista Christie Brinkley?

We have some mutual friends and she’s always interested in health and especially alternative avenues that you can take, and she really loved my book. I felt really honored.

Here’s what I’m gonna do. I’m going to, I’m on, on today’s show, I’m going to be sort of like the, the devil’s advocate, not that he needs one, but I’m going to be the devil’s advocate and I’m going to ask you 10 questions on behalf of the listeners that we have out there that have some questions because you know, what you do as a master herbalist is sort of a, it’s a, it’s a newer thing for some people. You know, it’s kind of a newer idea and so I’m gonna ask you some questions. Here we go. Question number one here I have, how did you become a master herbalist or how does somebody go about becoming a master herbalist?

Well, in order to become an h dot g dot herbalists, which is American herbalist guild, you have to have practiced for over 10 years, worked with over a thousand clients and then you have to sit before a board taking exams and present cases, meaning you have to have a lot, excuse me, a lot of work, a lot of exposure with plants and the test is really intense. That’s what I can tell you a

chop this just in from our Home Office. Sirhan has been doing this for a long time. It sounds like it’s your Honda knows her stuff. He knows he knows what’s going on. Okay, so question number two, I have here for you, your book, mood, Topia, Tamer Moods, distress and find balance using herbal remedies and aroma therapy. How, how can that book? We have a lot of listeners out there. We have, we have hundreds of thousands listeners who work who work on a daily basis. Did they own their own companies? Uh, Sara Chana Silverstein. The average person listening is probably a woman who owns her own company or a man who owns their own company. They work hard. There’s a lot of moms and dads out there that are waking up early. They’re running a construction company, they’re running some kind of small business. Um, how can your book, Mood Topia help our listeners?

Well, I’ve had an office for the past 26 years and one of the things I noticed was that people, even people that looked really together and really had the life that they had carved out for themselves would often feel like they would get stuck and stunted by these emotions, be at frustration, anger, even little bouts of depression, and they really would get stuck and feel that these emotions kind of got in the way of their success and when I started doing research, when I was deciding the topic that I want to do, I know that knew that I wanted to write a book about herbs. I realized that this is what the stats say, that one of the five people are taking psychotropic drugs. Now. I’m not against psychotropic drugs at all. It helps lots of people, but lots of people are really suffering from the side effects of the drugs.

I went on to learn that these medications are usually prescribed by practitioners, their GP, not even psychiatrists anymore. That is taking between six and eight minutes with the person and that these people are given these drugs often for what is really common ailments. Like I’m having trouble sleeping or you know, I’m, I’m just, I’m just on that verge of depression and I knew that this is where herb shine. What’s amazing about herbs is that you can take them when you need them, not take them when you don’t need them and the you don’t have any side effects or withdrawal symptoms. And I found that these people that are kind of, you know, they don’t quite need meds and they’re not quite, you know, just happy go lucky people. People that are working hard, like you said, stressed, overwhelmed. And when I teach them about herbs and they have this in their briefcase or their backpack, they just feel more in control and they feel like when they’re having those days where they haven’t slept enough for three days, they can take an herb that gives them a little boost. Not like caffeine or if they’re, you know, a little hormonal. They can take an herb that can keep them to be less crabby and my clients were just loving it and that’s why I wrote the book mood Topia so that I could share this information and you know, in the beginning of the show you said, this is kind of new information. What I’m giving my book is really what people have been using for thousands and thousands of years. I’m just kind of kindling

true. I with that one thing I would.

I you, you, you’re, you had so many knowledge bump chips. She had, she had so many knowledge bombs in a row. I have to duck tape my head back together. Now here’s what, here’s what I want to. I want to make sure we get into this because you just said psycho tropic drugs. Now the, the definition of a psychotropic drug is any drug that is capable of affecting the mind, the emotions and behavior. So let me give you an example. I have a very good friend of mine. She’s a very successful. She’s a very successful entrepreneur, a Sara Chana Silverstein, and she went to meet with the general practitioner. You said GP, right? General Practitioner, yes. And we met with her local doctor for. She met with them for probably like you said, six to 10 minutes. I would argue about that. But you’re, you’re correct. You know, six to 10 minutes.

So yeah. And uh, I was with this person. I traveled to go meet them. My wife and I were there. I went out to meet this person and this person, you go to the bathroom and I’m not nosing, nosing around their house. They have a very big house, very successful person. I go into their bathroom, I’m not looking around, but they’ve got pills everywhere, like pills that were out, you know, they, I guess they forgot that I was coming over. Maybe they don’t even care, but on the drugs, on the, on the, it’s like an orange bottle and on there it tells you what they’re taking, you know, and I do my best to not look. I’m just washing my hands. I’m out. But like there’s a lot of drugs here, but I didn’t, I didn’t read the labels, whatever. I’m not exaggerating. This person is not yet 40 years old and I saw her recently and she’s now having massive heart problems as a result of side effects of taking these drugs for the last two, three years and huge issues. Huge issues. This is powerful. It’s so funny you say that because I’m a mom of seven kids by the way.


Mine and I remember I was in the office of one of the schools have one of the kids and there were a bunch of women my age and I’m not old sitting there discussing how do they organize all their pills, like what? How do they remember? And you know, I sat there and I was listed as women and I was so shocked. So again, medications are often needed, but medications are often not needed. And I think that unfortunately our doctors who I respect greatly, you know, some of my best friends are doctors. They’re, they’re, they’re, they’re trained in a very different way than herbalists are. When you come to an herbalist. I spend minimally an hour and a half with a person and I’m asking them every question in the world and part of my job besides being a detective about them, is to figure out what is within the realm of normal and what is not.

Now a person that’s going through a very heavy duty business transition, let’s say. I mean it’s going to be normal to have some insomnia. I mean at night your brain is just going to be thinking and rethinking and rethinking and rethinking, you know, all different options available. So if you take an herb like passionflower or lemon balm, you know, before you go to bed, these are. These are herbs that are going to help stop that mine from doing that circular thinking that, oh my gosh, what am I going to do when I do? What am I going to do? If you take an herb like Kava Kava is an herb that’s been used for generations, I mean all over the world and that’s to help with tense muscles and tell me how many people that are going through these tough business transitions are not getting tense muscles. So of course you should go get a massage, you should go sit in the Jacuzzi, so take a really long walk. But if you can’t do that, you, there are herbs that can help your body get back into the place you want your body to be in. Not some prescription medication per se.

Why I’m so passionate about having you on the show is you started off, you said, hey, one of the five people are taking some kind of psychotropic drug, which by the way has crazy side effects. I mean, it’s unbelievable, but this is just an example. Uh, uh, one of my clients, I worked with us, Sara Chana Silverstein about eight, nine years ago, based in Dallas Sky as a general practitioner and I was helping them get to the top of Google and grows medical practice and that kind of thing. And he’s said this to me and I’m curious if you would be shocked that this statement was made. He talked about. He goes, I said, hey, what percentage of the patients that you work with, do you prescribe some kind of drug dealers? OCD. There’s AC, there’s an attention deficit disorder. There’s obsessive compulsive disorder. Is it? What percentage of your patients do you think are on a deed? You prescribe a drug and he goes, well, clay, with the hipaa stuff, I can’t get any specifics, but I would say probably 25 percent of my patients. I prescribed something that then I set for your son who has a hard time paying attention, what drug do you prescribe to him? And he goes, oh, I would never prescribe a drug for my kids.


But he was prescribing it all day and I said, hey, I gotta I gotta ask you man, like how do you do that? He goes, one man, people what they want is everyone wants to have a drug that they’re on. It’s like the new thing now everyone wants to be ocd or add. It’s like if I struggled paying attention, I need to be on the drug. If I pay attention too much I need to drug and he’s like, but it’s really bad. Like the, a lot of these drugs have a lot of bad side effects. He’s like, I want want

a quick fix. They want this quick fix and when you work with an herbalist like we go through and explain, you know, there’s not really a quick fix, but there’s a lot of tools that you can have in your chest that you can use to help with these kinds of problems. So, you know, again, I’m going back to herbs is of course like everybody already knows you need to sleep enough, blah blah blah. You need to eat healthy. Of course you do, you need to drink water. Yeah, for sure. But that’s really great when you can fit that in and obviously that’s the foundation, but people do need things to be able to give them, give them that little bit of strength to be able to get through that busy weekend. Does that make sense? So, you know, basic health is so important and of course do tight, do yoga, do deep breathing.

You know, I discussed these things in my book Nutopia, but you know, I joked because a lot of my clients come in and go breeze like serious. You want me to take a deep breath? So I laugh at them and I go, okay, here’s the story. When you’re at a red light driving, I just want you to inhale once an exile. Once that’s your breathing for the day. They’re like, oh my gosh, that I can handle. You know what I mean? Like most busy people can’t really. I mean of course don’t get me wrong, it’s great to meditate. It’s great, but like Gimme like two breaths a day and already you’re on the path to calming down. So in my book I give really simple easy tips because we kind of all know in the back of our minds what we’re supposed to be doing. And then we feel guilty. Oh my gosh, I have to go to the gym, I have to work out, you know, four days a week, get my heart rate up for 20 minutes. But you know what, if you go to the gym once every two weeks, that’s also okay. Like don’t give up that gym once every two or three weeks because you’re not going regularly. That little burst of exercise is going to help you. So there’s lots of little things we can do, not necessarily all the major things that we have to do. Does that make sense?

Christie Brinkley would agree with you. She said, I love a good shortcut to looking and feeling great. And Sara Chana Silversteins tips help you get back to your best with nature’s best medicine. A lot. These quick tips, I want to ask you, what kind of shortcuts or quick tips can our listeners expect to find inside your, your, your new book? Utopia.

Well, you know, it’s so interesting. I love that question because there’s something called forest bathing and forest bathing. Became very popular in Japan and forest bathing is when you take some time and you walk through a forest. And what was very interesting was they were doing some research wondering like, you know, what is it about walking through a forest? Is it the green trees? Is it the plants? And one study showed that it was actually the essential oils that the, the treat led off to protect itself from bugs that could, you know, break down the health of the tree. So just being by a tree can help you enough. So if you’re a city slicker and you don’t have a forest to go walk through, but you have like a 10 minute lunch break now I didn’t say an hour lunch break, right? So this 10 minute lunch break like go out and sit by a tree.

If you’re drinking your coffee, which is supposed to be like, you know, something healthy, but if you’re still drinking your coffee, do it by a tree and try to just get a width of those essential oils that the trees expelling at that moment. So just being by nature can calm your system down. So if you have an office that you spend way too much time in, there’s a lot of plants that you can put around your office. Like I have some lucky bamboo in the office where I am right now and at least bamboos a little green for the eye. And it just kind of calms your system. Yeah,

yeah. I love bamboo. I’m obsessed with bamboo. My wife won’t let me plant any bamboo, bamboo.

And it’s easy. And, you know, it’s so interesting because we’re supposed to learn from the bamboo, um, when you look at it that it’s Halloween, the inside from on the outside and takes very little light and very little water, meaning we’re supposed to be fluid on the inside. Whatever people say, it shouldn’t affect us. Just, you know, let it go in and out. We’re supposed to be strong and firm and we should need very little to keep ourselves happy. So just to have a little plant in our office like that, know what it’s supposed to represent. It’s that one second reminder. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I can let this go. I don’t need to hang onto this. So I’ve got tons of little tips. I mean, another one that’s amazing, I’m going to talk about nature again, is they found that when people work with the soil, and again, you may have a big plantation, you live on it, you may have a teeny apartment in New York City, but there are antidepressant chemicals right in the soil. So this go to a home depot, pick a plant for a dollar 99 repotted in a bigger pot that can really help you feel better. So there’s so many little things we can do. I’m going to give you one more thing.

Oh, nice.

Random acts of kindness. Now I know we’re supposed to be nice to our friends and neighbors, but you know, it’s really hard to do it if you’re in a really crappy mood. Had a really hard day. But this is what the studies show. If you just opened the door for someone, just kind of be nice to someone even though it makes them feel good, it lowers our cortisol levels and actually lowers our heart rate. So if you’re having a really rough day and you don’t have any herbs available, it can’t go buy any plant. Just even if you don’t want to do nice things for people around you and you’re going to feel less stressed. I mean that’s an easy tip.

That’s an easy tip and want to. This is where I want to. I want to start to ask you questions that I had the potential to. If you don’t like the question, you can hang up and that’s my tip that you don’t like this question, but this isn’t the right question to ask them on behalf of people that are skeptics. Okay? There is people that would call aroma therapy. I kind of a woo woo concept. Like a Whoa, whoa. You know, and a lot of people wouldn’t say. It doesn’t make any sense. It doesn’t work. You know, aroma therapy. Oh my God, Jeff Aroma therapy. I mean, are you serious? So Sara Chana Silverstein, I want to ask you this, do you. How do you know? Because you’ve been doing this forever, could explain to the listeners out there how do you know that aroma therapy actually works?

So here’s what I tell skeptics. You don’t have to know that it works and you don’t have to want it to work and you don’t have to pick a sense that studies show relaxes you if you don’t like the smell. But what I found and what I teach people is this, our olfactory system, our breathing and smelling system is really, really associated with memories. For instance, if your mother used to make or your grandmother used to make an apple pie that you loved, whenever you smell that apple pie, you always think about your grandmother. Let me tell you a personal example. I love. I live between Los Angeles and New York and I love hiking. This one trail called fryman in California. It’s in studio city, California, and this one part of this trail smells gorgeously like this tree that I remember when I was eight years old and I was on a horse farm.

I A horse camp. I’m sorry, and let me tell you, it’s been awhile since I’m eight years old and every time I hike and I get to this one point, I remember myself being on a horse. I mean, it’s ridiculous, but what happens is that’s where my memory is with my smell. So let’s say your travel a lot and you really hate the smell of hotels. I mean eating clean hotel, it’s going to have a smell. If you start to bring an assistant with you like sandalwood or Berg, a mod or Lang Lang, and you just spray a little bit on your pillow or you to spray a little in the room or put a couple drops in the palm of your hand. Every time you travel, you’ll begin to make a better association with being away so you can use essential oils to create new memories.

Forget the research. Even my clients that fly a lot, you know, so funny. I was off to Detroit doing a conference just two and a half weeks ago and the person next to me not smell great. It’s really important to shower before you travel. So I had a little bottle of essential oil stuck in my purse. It went through security. No problem. I put a couple drops in a tissue and I just kinda inhale that a couple times. You know what? I was able to push away the smell of the stinky guy next to me. I mean, tell me that’s not a great tool to have in your name.

I have a funny airplane story for you that just happened here about four months ago. Sarah, this is a funny idea that you want people on airplanes. They’re not really aware of what you should say or shouldn’t say. You know what I mean? Certain people that are not aware of what to say or what not to say. There’s those people. So I’m sitting next to this guy and this guy says, I’m in the middle seat. And he says, well, how are you? I said, I’m doing great. He says, well, uh, what do you do for a living? I told him, you know, do they a podcast and we own a men’s grooming lounge, franchise of haircut businesses and I just kind of given a, kind of a high level, you know, and I said, what do you do? And he immediately goes into the super grotesque detail about surgeries he’s had in the past, like a real.

Any saying words that are crazy. Like I guess he means I’m not kidding. The whole plane, like, stop because he’s talking. He says, yeah, you know, I, I recently recovered from boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, and I actually had surgery on my anus and he sat this and the whole plane just stops and looks at us like, what are you guys talking about it throughout the entirety of the flight. I was not sitting next to my wife. He continued bringing up these weird buzzwords that would make everyone on the plane looked at, look at me and I needed some of your aroma therapy. I need to just inhale something that just knocks you out. Everybody was looking at us like, what are you guys talking about? And he was talking 90, 90 percent of the time and he would do the old. You’d ask rhetorical questions just to kind of answer for himself. I mean, it was, it was an incredible thing. So again, I just want to make sure we’re recapping here. Aroma therapy works. Shop, you know? Yes.

You know, I’ve gotten into another, another mind frame. Had you been breathing in some oils that you liked?

Absolutely. Jump, you know, I burned pinion wood all the time. That was the problem. He tried to burn pinion wood on the plane. They wouldn’t let him do that. Okay. Now and again, and other things. I just want to make sure proof of concept. The listeners understand. I actually do believe this. I chip, I live behind a what? A wall with a gate and then what’s behind that wall? A house and 17 acres of trees. Tons of trees. Probably thousands of tons of trees and I often walk through the forest. There’s multiple paths already out there. I go back there and I didn’t know of the science behind it, but I can tell you I love just sitting there by the fire being observing nature. It calms me down, but I don’t take any medications at all. My friend lot going on. Chuck, you had a hot take their. Yeah. Sirhan. I wanted to ask you were, you were talking about forest bathing a minute ago. Have you ever heard of anybody that they advocate doing that barefoot?

Um, no, but if you, you know, have strong feet. I think it would be a great idea. I mean there is a lot of different therapies that you do barefoot so you can really feel more grounded and feel the ground that you’re standing on, but I haven’t personally had people that have walked through the forest barefoot. Have you?

I’ve just heard it’s on different podcasts and people that they advocate. If you live in big cities, if you’re in New York City, go out and walk through central park. So Sirhan. Let me be the background here. Chuck records each and every radio show completely nude. Yeah, let’s it remotely. We don’t even allow minimum. Okay, so I’m an our question here for you. You have a seven,

maybe more job two.

That’ll be nice. Yeah, I love it. No, Sarah, I have five kids and obviously you have to up to me by having seven kids, so I want to ask you. We have a lot of ladies out there, a lot of moms listening to the show who are going through life as moms. How can your book, mood Topia help all of the mom listeners that we have?

I think they had whole lot because I’ve, I’m, I’m also a lactation consultant. I that means I help women with breastfeeding problems and I’ve helped deliver over 469 babies is a doula. So a lot of the stories in my book are really geared towards an end discuss moms and you know, people don’t understand how, what a full time job it is to be a mom. Even if you go to work and you’re a mom, you still a full time mom. So I have lots and lots of quick easy tips. For instance, I talk about the effects of Color, um, and wearing clothes within your color Palette, which was really hip and funky maybe 30 years ago. And I kinda like want to bring it back. So there’s interesting, interesting research about the effects of color that you wear and how it affects you. In my book, I talk about if you’re going to an amusement park with a bunch of little kids, for instance, it’s very important for the mom to were kind of neutral, more more gentle colors because the.

She’s made the excitement of the amusement park all around you. The reds and the blues and the yellows. If you’re wearing a more calming tone, then it can help the kids kind of center and calm down when they, when they’re around you, so people, even if you know they can’t afford to go to an herbalist or get a massage once a week. I mean they can certainly incorporate colors into their lives and if you wake up and feel drab and exhausted and your kid had a fever all night and your other kid crawled into your bed because they had a nightmare and you wake up exhausted. That’s the time for a mom to put on a vibrant, energetic color because we know that color vibrates. That’s how we get to see colors to the vibration of the energy, and if you were a vibrant color, it can give you that little bit of juice you need without having four cups of coffee, and then when you look in the mirror, instead of seeing this drab, exhausted woman with dark circles under our eyes, you’re going to, oh, I’ve got to look good in that chair Turquoise, or while I’m wearing this vibrant purple so women can incorporate colors in their lives to help keep their moods more stable.

Sirhan, I’ve never had a baby. Obviously I need to. Just the thought of having a baby, it just stresses me out. How does having a baby impact the moods of winter?

Well, you know, every woman’s different. I mean, one woman’s going to be vibrant after she gives birth. One woman’s going to be crying all the time. One woman’s going to be, you know, thanking God for these miracles. And that’s one’s to be saying, oh my God, what you do to me. You know what I mean? Like there’s going to be so many different reactions and all those reactions are fine. They’re good and that’s one of the things that I talk about in Utopia. For instance, if you are frustrated by something, it really is telling you that something needs to change so that frustration is not necessarily negative. It can give you the impetus. Also anger, you know, if you just walk around angry all the time, I mean that’s great, but if all of a sudden you’re angry about something and you sit down and you go, okay, I’m really angry, I’m seizing angry right now. What do I need to change in my life? Then that anger can be used as a positive impetus to change what you need to. So you know, you just ask the question about new moms, new moms go through a lot and the emotions that they have are really going to teach them what they need to do in their lives. If they aren’t afraid of those emotions and no, there are real and important and let them guide. You

researched so much and you’ve worked with thousands of individual clients, both men and women, so I want to ask you that question everybody has are, are, are men naturally more moody than women or women naturally more moody than men? Is there any natural difference in the moodiness of men?

Well, I tell you this, so I had a guy in my office because my practice was initially women’s health clinic and pediatrics, but everyone started sending in their, their boyfriends and their husbands and their dad. So I had this guy sitting in my office once and I’m listening and don’t forget I spent an hour and a half with them. I mean we get pretty close and I’m asking a million questions and there was one herb. This guy sounded like he needed and it was an herb called mother wart. Now mother wart in its history is used for women that are hormonal on a hormonal roller coaster and I’m sitting with this guy and I’m thinking in my mind, can I like break every rule as an herbalist and give this guy mother wart? And I said, I’m going to plunge in. So I gave him a bottle of herbs and I called it, you know, happy herbs or calm me down, whatever it was, and his wife called me a week and a half later and said, I don’t know what you gave to my husband, but he’s just not complaining all the time as much.

And I was like, we can give mother worked to men. So I think generally women tend to be more emotional and I don’t want to be like anti women because I’m one of them, but I think we tend to be a little more moody than men, but men can be just as moody is. Women don’t get yourself and everybody’s an individual, you know, like even if we talk about depression, like one person’s depressed and they sleep all the time and lost their appetite, then that’s now the next person is depressed and they can’t sleep and they can’t stop eating. So whenever we have these labels of people, it still doesn’t mean that we all respond in the same way. We all respond differently. So I’m always looking at the person as an individual. So the answer is yeah, guys can be crabby to,

to all of our listeners are very accident biased, action orientated. So I want to ask you, what can all of the listeners do today on a very practical level to improve their overall mood? What can we do to improve our overall?

So I love this studies of smiling even if you’re not in the mood of smiling. So here’s a study I talked about my book, so I forget the name of the professor’s name. I think it was layer Lai are, but you’ve gotta look in the book to confirm that, but he did a study with college students and what he did was with with the, with the students. The first time he had them put a pencil in their mouth. I’m going straight in and out like a straw, and he had them rate comics. Then a couple of days later, he had the same students put a pencil in her mouth parallel to the floor or perpendicular to their body and they rated comics with a pencil in her mouth that way, and he found on many different studies that when people had a pencil in their mouth, perpendicular to the floor, which made their mouth going to fake smile, that everybody rated the comic’s Funnier and more enjoyable than when they had the pencil in their mouth, you know, sticking out like a star cigarette making kind of a frown. So even if you’re not in the mood to smile, smiling sends messages to our brain to make us feel better. So practice smiling, smile at random people in the store, smile at random coworker a smile at you know people that just cut you off. Instead of giving them the finger,

give me a smile. When you pass by

and you’ll actually feel calmer and more centered, even if it’s a fake smile,

shut up. You’re a hot take about smiling. Yeah. Whenever we teach business owners how to duplicate themselves and create a sales process, we teach them when they teach their people on the phone to smile and dial, smile and even though they can’t see you on the other side of the phone, it makes you a happier and you come across as a happier person during that sales process. Yeah. People can hear you smiling on the phone.

So that’s cheap. Inexpensive doesn’t cost you any money. You can put little signs. You know, I, I, I like positive affirmations but. And I liked them, but you know, like if you’re feeling like, oh, I look horrible today and you know, my life is not working and you have a big sign up there that says you’re great, you’re the best. You’re number one. You’re looking at going, that’s a lie. But if you’ve got a little sign up there that goes, remember to smile. You can put like a fake, cheesy smile on and go, okay, I’m having a horrible day. And it does. It actually in the long run makes you feel better. And you know, people in the world is so busy and so overwhelmed, if they see a smile, they’re not analyze it and going, is that a real smile or a fake smile?

Is that person really smiling at me? So that’s like an easy, easy, easy tip. I mean I love people to get an herbal tincture, keep it in their purse or their pocket and herbal tincture. There’s the way you take herbs as you can either take them in tea form, which I signed busy people, especially in America. Don’t take a lot of tea time or you can take herbs in capsules, which I don’t like because they grow up. They dry out too quickly and lose their volatile oils. But you can pick up a little bottle of herbs in a tincture. They have herbs in your health food store called calm down or serenity blend and just put a couple drops in a little bit of water and see how that makes you feel. That’s an easy, quick tip. You don’t have to take long to take a little urban. Takes you about a minute or two. Wait a minute, 20 seconds.

Sure. Honda, we have a lot of voracious readers who listened to each and every one of the thrive time show podcasts because they love to read books, they love to read books that can help them improve their lives and take their lives to the next level, but I know we have several thousand listeners out there that are on the on the fence. They’re thinking, should I buy the book or should I not? Should I bought the book or should I buy random stuff at a convenience store this month? Should I invest the 20 bucks or should I try not Sarah Hannah, give us your best sales pitch. Why should everybody by her newest book, Mood Topia?

So I think the most important reason to buy these because my book is great bathroom reading. Okay, you can bring it in the bathroom where most of my friends and clients read. Read just a couple of pages, get a little nugget of information and be on your way. So it’s really easy. The way I wrote the book with my partner, Susan, goal line is we wrote it in a non-complex way, meaning you can open the book to almost any page and you’ll get a takeaway, and I wanted to make the book as simple as possible. I mean, it’s based on true science, hard science. It’s based on a lot of research, but it a really simple way with like a lot of bullet points, a lot of little sidebars. You could just read a sidebar and walk away with information and it’s available all over the Internet. On my websites are [inaudible] dot com. It’s one click away from everyone that’s got a smartphone,

thrive nation. You can pick up Sara Chana Silverstein’s newest book, Mood Topia, Tame your moods, distress and find balance using herbal remedies, herbal remedies and aroma therapy. You can get it today. You can find it on Amazon. You can go to Sarah’s website. I encourage you to check it out today. It’s mood Topia, tame your moods, distress and find balance using herbal remedies and aroma therapy, zero Ohana. Thank you for being on today’s show. We really, really do appreciate you. Thank you. I appreciate the two of you were great. I love this interview and thank you for taking time with me. Aren’t you? Take care of each and every show with a pool, and so now without any further ado, what we’ll. Before we do that with just a little more further ado, let’s end with a boom. Here we go. No, no, no. Real quick. The timing’s not with. With just a little more Adieu, Adieu. Here we go. Three, two, one. Boom.


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