The pastor of the largest Protestant Church in America, Pastor Craig Groeschel shares his daily success habits, how he spends the first 3 hours of the day, the importance of finding great people early on, developing strength through systems, how to build a great family while simultaneously growing a great organization, the importance of saying “no,” how his first remote location didn’t actually work, how he is proactively retraining his mind by intentionally creating new neural pathways, how he deals with criticism on social media, why he has 2 phones and much, much more.
FUN FACT – Life Church was started in 1996. https://www.life.church/
FUN FACT – Life Church did own the overhead projector.
NOTABLE QUOTABLE – “Any time aanybodyis starting anything it is incredibly difficult, you second-guess yourself the whole time. To me it’s always about trying to find the right people early on and that is what is really, really, really challenging to do. When it starts growing and things start to make it, it gets really chaotic and that’s when you need to start putting systems in place and such.” – Pastor Craig Groeschel (The founder and pastor of Life Church)
NOTABLE QUOTABLE – “In the early years I had to say yes most of the time, it was the right thing to do. There wasn’t anybody to delegate to so I had to do most of it. Today, I don’t want to sound weird, but my default response is no.” – Pastor Craig Groeschel (The founder and pastor of Life Church)
NOTABLE QUOTABLE – “To grow any organization you have to say “no” to other things and say “yes” to only the things that you can say “yes” to. As we grow we are going to do fewer and fewer things that add more and more value. But, if you don’t say “no” to other things you are going to keep people from rising and being invested and so it’s actually selfish in saying to many yeses. It will not only you back and hold you down, but it will hold back your organization. We grow with strategic nos.” – Pastor Craig Groeschel (The founder and pastor of Life Church)
NOTABLE QUOTABLE – “Too many good ideas will take you off of the great ideas. We have to be strategic in saying no. You grow with nos more often than you grow too many yeses.” – Pastor Craig Groeschel (The founder and pastor of Life Church)
NOTABLE QUOTABLE – “What we didn’t need was high quality video teaching, what we needed was high-quality leadership at the location. And this is the mistake the many people make and kind of looking from a distance. It’s not about this video work or not. Video obviously works because we pay money to stream it all the time. The key ingredient to make video teaching in church work is not video, it’s the quality of the leadership at the place. We build leaders that build churches.” – Pastor Craig Groeschel (The founder and pastor of Life Church)
NOTABLE QUOTABLE – “I always tell myself, “if you’re not doing anything, you’re not gonna be criticized,” so don’t worry about it when you are worry about it when you’re not.” – Pastor Craig Groeschel (The founder and pastor of Life Church)
The pastor of the largest Protestant church in America, Pastor Craig Groeschel shares his daily success habits, how he spins the first three hours of his day, the importance of finding great people early on when building something, developing strength through systems, how to build a great family while simultaneously growing a great organization. The importance of saying no, how is first remote location actually didn’t go very well. How you proactively retrains his mind by intentionally creating neural pathways, how he deals with criticism on social media, why he has two phones and much, much more.
Yes, yes, yes and yes. Welcome back to another exciting edition of the thrive time show on your radio and podcast downloads.
On today’s show, we’re interviewing a pastor who has led a team that has now created the largest Protestant church in America. They started this church in a two car garage equipped with a borrowed overhead projector because that’s the key to success. There is disease that borrowed overhead projector. That’s the thing. He went onto cocreate six kids to one up me. He created cocreated six kids. Hopefully on today’s show we can ask them how that’s possible and he also created the world’s most popular Bible App called the you version Bible App with over 350 million downloads and he’s also the best selling author of the new book. Hope in the dark, believing God is good when life is not. Pastor Craig Groeschel, welcome onto the show sir.
Dr Z dot. I’m glad to be on with you. Thank you for having me.
Hey, I gotta ask you this because you are a manual. I think you have so many things going on. You get the book going on. You have the 30 campuses going on. Every time I turn on youtube, you’re there. Your pot gear leadership podcast. One of our core of the clients I coach a company called master machine. They love your leadership podcast. They were just talking about this morning. You appear to be everywhere, so I want to ask you, what time do you wake up everyday and what are those first three hours of your day? Typically look like?
Uh, the, the latest I’ll get up at 6:30 sometimes I’ll be in the office as early as maybe five in the morning. That’s maybe one day a week, a possibly to the uh, the first three hours a day. It’s kind of boring, but what I try to do is get to the office as fast as I can. So I just, I, I eat, I come up to the office and I do a five minute kind of brain training where I’m focusing my brain meditating. I do my, a youversion Bible reading, uh, spend a few minutes praying and then I kind of attack the day and try to. I tried to spend the early part of the morning before other people get in doing study time because the office heats up around 8:30 or nine. And so I’m most creative in the morning and that’s when I’m knocking out the kind of stuff that I study. And so I wish I could tell you there was more secret fun stuff, but that’s about it. It’s pretty boring
when you are meditating or, or training your brain. This is what I’m picturing Z and maybe I’m, maybe I’m getting this wrong, but I picture something where it’s like I’m training my brain. Is that how you do it or what are you?
That’s so weird because that’s exactly what it’s like.
What does that look like for getting someone out there wants to know like, okay, do you think it’d be a fly on the wall? Are you standing upside down on your head or you levitating rocks with Yoda? What are you doing?
I’m sitting back in my chair, leaning back with my feet up on the desk, listening to listening to an APP and having some guy tell me to focus on my breathing and stuff like that.
Really? Yep. Okay. Now. Okay. So now you have built this, this, this church, this overnight success or this overnight. It’s happened overnight. By the way, this just happened overnight and you started in 1996. That would mean I was 16 years old at the time and now here we are 2018, I’m 37, so I mean you’ve been doing this for a long time. A lot of entrepreneurs out there that are starting with, with nothing. Just like how you started that, the, the church, which is what intrigues me about your story so much. Can you talk to us about starting a church with approximately 40 people in a two car garage equipped with a borrowed overhead projector? Where did you start? What did the process look like of starting the, what will we do? What we now know is life church?
Well that’s pretty close. The only thing that’s not accurate is they actually donated to the overhead projector. So we did own that.
honest to goodness was the extent of it. Everything we had was borrowed from God bringing his keyboard and we had borrowed green self back chairs from a Sunday school class that uh, I would not wish on anybody. I think the, uh, you know, anytime anybody starting anything, she is incredibly difficult. You second guess yourself the whole time. That, to me, it’s always about trying to find the right people early on and, and, and that’s what’s really, really, really challenging to do. Um, when it starts growing and, and things start to make it, it gets really chaotic and that’s when you have to kind of start putting systems in place and such. And so, so we had some kind of early success. We had someone write a, um, an article on us and we boomed up to 164 people first fell back down to about 80 people because we just didn’t, we didn’t have the right systems, we weren’t able to track.
People weren’t able to follow up with them. And so, you know, you kind of have to grow at a healthy pace. There is, as you guys know, as entrepreneurs, you can, you can grow too fast, you can not have enough cash or whatever. And so we just, little by little we tried to do the next right thing and we went from a, a little two car garage to a, a elementary school. And then we bought a 10,000 square foot bike factory and made it into a church. And then three years later I managed to get a real building out of the ground
about you. What I can tell, it appears as though you have a good relationship with all six kids and you have your relationship with your incredible wife. Who, by the way, uh, I don’t know if you’ve seen you because you think you’ve tricked her into marrying her, marrying you. She’s a true man. I’ve heard you talk about that before. I mean, don’t go see it and make sure she doesn’t see an optometrist like Dr. we’ll give her just a little blurry when you’re going, when you’re starting a church. I did it wrong. I didn’t start a church. I started a business and I did it wrong. I didn’t do this. So this is me looking back at it in hindsight. But I, I put every second of every day into starting dj connection. I got to work at four or five in the morning every day. I would finish work in at seven or 8:00 at night. And then I got to a place where I was pretty positive. My kids didn’t know my name and then I thought, why am I sleeping on this couch? Can you talk to us about the balance? How have you been able to balance your schedule? What does, how do you do that? How do you get it all done?
Well, so we were really, really, really do honestly have a super strong marriage. Things or things are really healthy. Um, and we haven’t had any real marriage, you know, massive marriage problems. But I will tell you, I have not always gotten it right in the early years. I had a wake up call. I was, I was a lot like you, my daughter one time said to me, my oldest daughter, she’s, I said, I’ll see you tonight when I get home. And she said, Daddy, you don’t live here. This isn’t your house, you, you live at the office.
And so that’s, it really
was like that. Uh, the, the advantage that I had is kind of an. Andy was all in with me. So there was never, it wasn’t like I was building something that she felt like was bad or competing with the marriage. She was invested with me and it’s in the later years we have to work really, really, really, really hard to keep things leveled out as you know, you’ve got a lot of kids, you know, you can have two kids and I can wear you out with, with the schedule. And so it’s just the, you know, the old what everybody teaches is you have to put the big priority places, um, and in, in first. And that’s what we work really, really, really hard to do. Um, we’ve been kind of religious with a date night doing one almost almost every single week. We fight really, really hard for one full day off and try not to compromise that.
And then we have to just be really, really intentional with our kids because there are so many of them and they, as they get older, they get more complicated. But it’s, there’s, there’s nothing, there’s not a trick to it, there’s nothing easy about it. It’s just, it’s intentionality. And it doesn’t matter if you have no kids and you’re working somewhere, if you’re, if you’re not intentional, uh, you will be overwhelmed and I mean you’ll, you’ll do myself. I spend hours on social media or playing games and life will take over and w we have to fight against the normal trajectory to have something that’s really different.
Oh, it’s a pastor of a church. I bet he never says no to anything that’s got all these people and answering the phone and, and his schedule, you know, people to call him up. And, and because I’m struggling with when you know, when to say no when to say yes. Can you address that in your life and the transition you made from probably saying yes a lot more to probably saying I would think. Maybe know some more now.
Well, in the early years I had to say yes. Most of the time it was the right thing to do. There wasn’t anybody else to delegate to. And so I had to do most of it today. I don’t want to sound weird, but my default answer is no. You know, in invitations to go places, this is almost always a no, you have to be pretty special even to get in front of me, for me to consider saying yes to it. Um, it just was so many moving parts. You know, the, that all your entrepreneurs will realize this to grow any organization, come on now you have to say no to other things and say yes to only the things that you can say yes to. As we grow, we’re going to do fewer and fewer things to add more and more value, but if you don’t say no to other things, then you’re going to keep other people from rising and being invested. And so it’s, it’s actually selfish and saying too many yeses not only will hold you back and holds you down, but it’s gonna. Hold your organization back. So we, we grow with strategic. Yeah,
coauthor of the best selling Amazon bestselling book. Start here. Why is that such a knowledge bomb that you grow through nose and saying yes to only your best will? Yeah. You have to say no to the good thing so that you can make room for the great things. In a pastor Craig, he does a phenomenal job talking about this. You got to allow yourself the ability to say yes to these great things. You know what I want to do? I want to create a new neuropathway new neuro one and I’m going to go ahead and bring it back. Bring it back.
Come on now to say no to other things and say yes to only the things that you can say yes to that. As we grow, we’re going to do fewer and fewer things to add more and more value.
As we grow, we’re going to do fewer and fewer things to add more and more value.
As we grow, we’re going to do fewer and fewer things to add more and more value, new neural pathways. As we grow, we’re going to do fewer and fewer things to add more and more valued, fewer and fewer thing to add more and more value.
I know the listeners and I want to just play that back over and over and just marinate Rotisserie, slow rotisserie. You know when you get some good meat and you just marinate on it. I know a lot of listeners just want to marinate on that all day because doing fewer things that add greater and greater value is a profound knowledge bomb for anybody trying to nail it and scale it. I mean, if the elephant in the room, we do not create a new marketing strategy every week. No, you don’t have to do 17 different marketing strategies and come up with a new idea of the week every single week to have success in your business. You’ve got to do fewer things in order to have success. What is a culture? People are addicted to new new girlfriend’s, new jobs, new churches, new material goods, but you don’t become successful as a result of doing new things all the time.
You have to cherish the things you have. You have to be a good steward of your marriage, a good steward of your business, a good steward of your favorite pair of shoes. Marshall, preach the good news for somebody out there who’s bought into the lie and the addiction of new and constantly doing new things, new technology help somebody out there doing things new. Every single week is a product of believing in this get rich quick scheme. It’s not possible. There is something such as get rich, slow and you got to go low and slow. Did you hear it? Took him three years. First three years. My main man, but my main man, Craig Rochelle’s been doing this since 1996. Nineteen 96 now. What year is it right now? Marshall? Twenty 18. Do it some do it some math. This Justin, that’s 22 years. He’s been committed to daily diligence, the consistency and now back to our exclusive interview with pastor Craig Rochelle, the pastor of the largest Protestant church in America. Over 100,000 people attend the church. A quarter million people watch online each and every week and 350 million people have downloaded their bible app, mindblowing
entrepreneurs. They’re going to have great opportunities to go and do too many good ideas. We’ll take them off the great ideas and we have to be strategic in saying no and, and um, that you grow with, knows more often than to grow. Too many yeses.
That’s a great word. That is a great word. Thank you for sharing that. That right there. That was, that was powerful. You grow through the. No, I’m going to put that on a, on a shirt and sell it and give you all the money. I think that’s a credible answer. That’s an impressive. There’s where my mind goes. Anytime I see a good quote, I’m like, we can put that on a shirt and sell at a conference. Absolutely. Now, Pastor Craig Groeschel, you, um, your church is very proficient in technology, but I would say that most churches that I’ve ever worked with as a consultant or pastors I’ve ever churches I’ve ever attended, they seem to be kind of clumsy with technology. And that’s a broad statement, but you know what I mean, like church on the move. And Tulsa is great with our technology, but a lot of churches are kind of clumsy with the video and the audio, how they do things. And you guys are, are excellent. You obviously didn’t start off. Excellent. When did you decide to put the church on the video for? When did you decide to broadcast to multiple, multiple campuses?
in my face and my face. There we go.
We never, we never planned to do this. What happened is, uh, we’ve got our first building out of the ground in 1999 and three years into it and um, we kind of outgrew the building so we didn’t, we were turning people away, like literally we couldn’t fit them in for fire code such and so we didn’t know what to do. The church was really young man. Twenty two year olds don’t have the financial capacity typically that most 55 year olds and so we couldn’t afford to expand and we’re just, we’re stuck. Someone said, and I don’t even remember who it was, what if we did church and another location? This was 1999, maybe 2000 and that was pretty much unheard of. I didn’t know anybody else doing it. And, and so we said is illegal, can we try that? And we did. We rented a movie theater seven miles away and we put a second band up there and we did church in our main building and then in a movie theater.
Well, one Saturday night after I preached on Saturday, my wife gave birth to our fourth kid, uh, that about four in the morning. And so, uh, there I wasn’t going to leave her to go back and preach. We didn’t have time to get one of the pastors to kind of ready. And so we said, what if we ran the video from the Saturday service and just played it on Sunday morning. People understand that just had a baby and such. Well, we did it and we’d, we’d never really realized, but in the size of our auditorium, people rarely looked up at the person. They were often looking at the screens and so it kind of went off without a hitch. In fact, even though they told the people I wasn’t there, a lot of people didn’t even really remember. And so we started scratching our head a wonder if this would work if we just showed video teaching. So we tried it in a second location and it didn’t work. It failed because we thought, hey, if we show video and kind of have an mc up there, then it will work. Well, we misdiagnosed the opportunity. Uh, and that’s when we had to kind of change everything that we, um, we do. We, we build leaders that then build churches. It’s not videotaping the builds churches. This is spiritual leaders to build churches.
I make a confession here where you’re forgiven. I, I listened to a td jakes every single morning. I like to listen to the same sermon over and over. So right now I’m listening to the sermon. Nothing is. Nothing is as powerful as a changed mind. And I listened to it all the time, all the time, all the time. Well then the guys, one of my clients with a company called master machine, they said, hey, we listened to Craig Michelle’s leadership podcast in a, in our office. You know, we listened to it all the time. You should listen to it. And you did this one about the, about the mind recently and how the mind works. I think it was called a series called like the mastermind and uh, it was, it was mind blowing for me. So I just want to confess to td jakes if you’re listening, I’m sorry that I’ve been kind of cheating on you a little bit here and checking out Pastor Craig Groeschel podcasts. There’s only so many hours in a day, so I had to skip a couple of days to listen to yours. So I don’t know. I’m in a moral conundrum. We’ll deal with that later. But talk to me about this new series that the one that you just released and what that was all about because it was so powerful for me. And I know for the guys that master machine,
I’m fascinated with this, but my mind is kind of one of my biggest challenges. My, my self talk can be really negative. It can be hard on myself and so I love both the spiritual truth about how the mind works and then science just, I mean God created the mind and so learning how God designed the mind. This is really fascinating. We know now that the mind is not fixed. That is, you know, we, we started in neuroplasticity that the mind is evolving and so what I’m trying to do is rewire that. The Bible would call it, renew your mind, um, or we might say, retrain my mind with, um, with truth. And I’m trying to create new neural pathways. Um, the more you think of thought, the easier it is to think that thought. And so if I think I’m good, I can’t do this, I’m tired, I’m overwhelmed. I don’t have to take, there’s never gonna be enough time to get it all done. I’m basically creating a self defeating narrative in my own mind. So what I’m, what I tried to do in that message series is to help people understand where we’ve created wrong thinking, wrong neural pathways and then replace those with truth with what scripture says and what’s positive so that we can then think the, think the truth, um, which, which leads us into a much better life. And so that, that’s, you know,
one minute summary of four weeks of teaching
the Amygdala, the part of the brain branding, almond size, part of the brain that controls the emotions is. It’s amazing. We’ve had more and more experts on the show. We’re having a lot of silicone valley, a gurus on the show. We had a woman on the show yesterday and Ms Dot Allen, who Petri Leanne’s. She was on the show and she actually studied what the brain, what the smartphones doing to the brain. These constant interruptions and psychology today came out and said that the average person has now interrupted 85 times per day minimum, and that people are now having the critical thinking skills of like third graders because they’re constantly in a state of perpetual distraction. You have so many data points. How many people go to your church on a typical Sunday, do you think are watching online?
There would be anywhere between 80 and 100,000 that comes to a building and then another quarter of a million that would watch a live online.
Okay. And so when you do a sermon as an example, you did one about demon possession that I watched and you did that and I remember watching it and I was in a, I was in a hotel with my wife and I’m going, what is this guy talking about? This is what I said. I’m like, what is he talking about? And then it made sense to me later, but the beginning, you know, I’m like, what is he talking about? Because you’re kind of teeing it up now. I didn’t go on social media and. Right. I strongly disagree, but that’s what a lot of people do. They just. I strongly disagree. You have to have at least a few complaints every week, right? From social media or twitter, people that disagree with what you’re doing or what your. How do you handle the Amygdala? How do you protect it from allowing the small part of the brain to control your entire body?
Well, sometimes it does. Unfortunately you have to fight or flight says strike back. And so there are times when someone gets personal. I just want to say here’s my address and name the time and show up as a pastor up. Just not allowed to do that on a, on a good day. Um, I stay above it. I don’t let it. Don’t let it get to me at all and, and tell myself as just a part of it and try to keep focused on the mission. And, and I always tell myself, if you’re not doing anything, you’re not going to be criticized. So don’t, don’t worry about it when you are worried about it, when you’re.
I hate to have to replay it multiple, multiple times again, but this is yet another marination moment. I mean, this is one of these knowledge bombs that we need to hear it at least two more times. Marshall, are you prepared to bring it back? I’m mentally, spiritually, metaphysically prepared. Bring it back.
All right? Always tell myself, if you’re not doing anything, you’re not going to be criticized. So don’t, don’t worry about it when you are worried about it, when you’re not. I always tell myself, if you’re not doing anything, you’re not going to be criticized. So don’t, don’t worry about it when you are worried about it, when you’re not
starting to get it.
I always tell myself, if you’re not doing anything, you’re not going to be criticized. So don’t. Don’t worry about it. When you are worried about when you’re not
don’t worry about it when you are worried about it, when you’re not. Just one more time, just one more time. Don’t, don’t worry about it. When you are worried about him,
you got to let it go. I’ve got to move on. I’ve got to let it go. We got to let it go. Let it go. I just want to hear it again and again. Somebody needs to hear this right now. It was so good when it first hit my ear, the ear area and it moved into my ear hole in dusk, communicating to my cranium and then my sign apses were just firing and all of a sudden just talking about right now I have to move on. We gotta we gotta go back to the interview. We got to go back.
on a bad day. It’ll, you know, it’ll, it’ll get me down and say someone comes after someone that I love, I get real sensitive. Uh, but as leaders, we just, that is part of the territory. You can’t be your entrepreneurs. They’re going to create waves. They’re going to have, they’re going to have haters and uh, it’s just, you only have to train our brain away from it. And I taught myself, I tell myself we’re going to be, if we’re going to make a mistake, we’re gonna be for people who are going to be positive. I’m going to try to train our people and lead without being defensive. Meaning as a pastor, I can train our people to be combative, which a lot of people don’t like us and we got to stand up for ourselves. And some pastors won’t tell you the truth, but here’s the truth. What I’ve just done is pitting myself against other people theologically. So I’m not gonna do that. I’m going to be positive. Here’s what we’re for. Here’s what we stand for. Um, we don’t have to be defensive and try to create a culture that is more obsessed with doing good than defending what other people are saying.
One of the businesses I’m involved with is called the Oxi fresh. There’s 400 franchises around the country. It’s been around for over a decade. And uh, as of today, we have 142,000 google reviews. So if you google carpet cleaning quotes, we’re now top of the world of all categories everywhere in the world.
And it’s the world’s greenest carpet cleaning system. Okay. So some people don’t like that. They were niched on that, you know, 10 times less water than Stanley steamers, Kinda the pitch or the haircut chain. I have elephant in the room. It’s like a country club for men’s hair. It’s membership based. We don’t take walk ins. Some people hate the fact that we don’t take walk ins, you know, it’s, it’s a different business model. Um, and again, the big issue for me is allowing myself just windows when I’m allowing myself to check. So I turned my phone off on Friday at noon. I do not look at it again until Monday. Can you talk to us about the boundaries that you’re setting? Because I. I would imagine at any moment in time if you ever go look at the comments on your youtube videos or twitter or facebook, there’s probably always one person that is complaining. I mean what? What are the boundaries that you’ve set up for yourself in that area?
There? There’s several different things I do, so during study time I’ll leave my son with my assistant and then she’ll interrupt me if it’s family or something. That’s that. That’s just for pure interruptions. Then I actually have a second phone that I travel with and so if I’m gone with the family, I leave the leave the other one behind and I think the second one that only a few people have and I’ve got it locked down so I can’t go on safari. I can’t download apps. I can’t look at social media. I’ll leave my computer behind and it just, it takes me out if only for four days from looking at what anybody is saying so I can be 100 percent focused. Then 9:00 in the evening, um, we try to put the phone aside, we don’t always do that, but we tried to put them aside and say, you know, at the end of the day, I don’t want that little blue light in my eyes and I don’t want the last thing to do. But then looking at what someone said, that’s crazy. I’m on facebook, I want to be engaged with, with people, um, the people in my home. And so those are some things that we work toward. We don’t always get it right, but the whole second phone, I know not everybody can afford to do that. Um, but oh my gosh, when you’re just, when you have no ability to get to that other world and you’re just fully present with people, that’s a pretty special gift.
Pastor Craig Groeschel, I want to end on a little personal note. I May, which,
which, and this is transparency for the thrive nation. Here we go. Which animal group do you do? You like the least cats or squirrels? Christian. That’s impressive. He’s thought about that. He’s thought about that. See, that deserves more cowbell.
Pastor Craig Groeschel, I appreciate you being on today’s show, your newest book, hoping the dark, believing God is good when life is not again, hoping that dark, believing God is good when life is not as available in bookstores everywhere. Get it on Amazon, get it. Your local bookstores. Check it out today, hoping the dark, believing God is good when life is not under. Now, without any further ado, I’d like to end with a boom. Three, two, one.
Marshall. I don’t want it to be done. He just gave us a boom, but I’m not ready for it to be done. It’s like Marshall, you know how like your, your maybe your prom or or someone’s wedding or some highlight moment in your life. Maybe it’s after the cubs won the world series and you just want to sit there and the stadium after the game and just say, what will you remember when the, when the Cleveland Cavaliers, when your team won the championship, remember that you just Kinda want to revel in the moment. You’re not sure and they’re going attention. Ladies and gentlemen, you don’t have to leave, but you can’t stay here. We’re like, no, you’re just, you’re on sacred ground. You’ve just seen Lebron James bring a victory to the mistake by the lake. Ouch. You’ve just seen the Lebron James Bring a championship back to its roots, but that’s right, because you knew he’s going to peace out soon and go to la, so you didn’t want to just leave.
You want to just let it happen. Yeah, you gotta stay there. You’ve got to stay on the. You’re one of the first people to call the fact that he was leaving. By the way, you mentioned that he was leaving for la. You mentioned that right after that championship. You called it, but the point is, I’m not ready to move on, so I’m going to play one more knowledge bomb that he shared with us. That blew my mind. I’m going to play it a few times because I think if we were doing America and potentially the other planets who are listening from alien solar systems, alien galaxies were doing them a disservice if we move on without everybody getting this next point
didn’t need was high quality video teaching. What we needed was high quality leadership at the location and this is the mistake many people make and kind of looking from a distance. It’s not about, it’s not about this video work or not. Video obviously works it because we we pay money to stream it all the time. What would the key ingredient to make video teaching in church work is not. The video is the quality of the leadership of the place.
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Eventually it has to end. I want it to go. I just. I don’t want to do. I just want to. I’m just going to. You don’t want to do. I’m just going to keep talking about this moment. Other people can tune out now. They can turn it off. That’s fine, but I’m just going to marinate on what I just did. The FDA, the wisdom that I just. If you want to stick around, we’ll be here with you where it will be a piece out, but I’m just telling you, think about this. You have to say, you have to do to grow. You have to say no. If people aren’t talking bad about you, it means you’re not doing anything. Are you? Speed wins. The first three hours of his day organizing his day, he worked six days a week. He’s focused. He takes his wife on a date night. It’s not about the things. It’s about the leadership and the people within the organization. It’s not about the things about the leadership. I’m out.