“Success Is About Developing the Discipline to Do What Needs to Be Done Whether You Feel Like It Or Not. Success & Comfort Cannot Coexist.” + Join Tebow At Clay Clark’s April 9-10 ThrivetimeShow.com Business Conf.

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Success is not about talent. It’s not about luck. It’s not about having the right connections or being born into the right family. Success is about developing the discipline to do what needs to be done when it needs to be done, whether you feel like it or not. Every single person who has achieved something significant in their life had to push themselves beyond their comfort zone. They had to do things that scared them.

They had to take action when they didn’t feel ready. They had to persist when everything inside them wanted to quit. The difference between successful people and unsuccessful people is not that successful people don’t feel fear, doubt or resistance. The difference is that they push through it anyway. They understand that growth and comfort cannot coexist. They know that if you want something you’ve never had, you must be willing to do something you’ve never done.

If you consistently choose the easy path, your life will be difficult. If you consistently choose the difficult path, your life will be easy. That’s one of the great paradoxes of life. And it’s something that most people never figure out. When I say push yourself, I’m not talking about driving yourself into the ground. I’m not talking about working yourself to exhaustion or ignoring your health and relationships.

I’m talking about something much more profound. I’m talking about developing the mental discipline to do what you know you should do, even when you don’t feel like doing it. You see, we all have two voices inside our heads. One voice says you can do it. You have what it takes.

Go for it.

The other voice says it’s too hard. You’re not ready. What if you fail? The voice you listen to will determine the quality of your life. The voice you feed will grow stronger. The voice you starve will grow weaker.

Successful people have learned to feed the right voice. They’ve learned to push past the voice of doubt and fear. They’ve developed what I call the discipline of doing. They do what needs to be done when it needs to be done, whether they feel like it or not. And here’s the amazing thing. The more you practice this discipline, the easier it becomes.

Hello, this is Robert Kiyosaki, and this is the Cash Flow Quadrant. It’s book number two in the Rich Dad series. And E stands for employee, S stands for self -employed. small business entrepreneur or a specialist like a doctor, a lawyer, computer programmer, things like this. And B stands for big business, 500 employees or more. And I stands for inside investor.

There’s a very big difference. Insiders are different than these guys here. So most E’s and S’s, they have pension plans, and when they invest, they invest in stocks, bonds, mutual funds, and ETFs. They’re outside investments. An inside investor is the guy putting the deal together. So those are the major differences in the big picture, but also there’s a mindset and a skillset difference.

This came from book number three, and it’s called Rich Dad’s Guide to Investing. And what this is called here is the B -I -N -G. In other words, this is what big business and eyes need to know. And so it starts here. You have mission, team, leadership. Most important is mission.

What makes it hard for most people to transition from here to here is they’re trained to be one of these. They’re not trained to be the whole thing here. But Clay Clark, man, he is one character.

That’s a good word for him, character.

Yeah, that is it.

driven, smart, and I’ve never met a guy who was so hyper all the time. He’s doing so much good. And then I met his mother, and she just lets him be Clay Clark. I mean, he’s endorsed by his mother, and he’s doing magnificent work. So it was great meeting you out there and all the people that he surrounds himself with. Clay Clark starts his days at five o ‘clock in the morning.

Oh, it’s incredible. Yeah. He’s, he’s like, he’s, he’s a machine.

He’s a machine. But his, you know, I could, I have problems with my company starting at nine o ‘clock. Yes. Hundreds of people showing up at 5 .00 AM in Tulsa, Oklahoma, man. He’s a leader of a leader.

He’s a fantastic young man.

No, he is.

He is anywhere doing a lot of different things, but you chose to be here. Some shows don’t need a celebrity narrator to introduce the show, but this show does. In a world filled with endless opportunities, why would two men who have built 13 multi -million dollar businesses altruistically invest five hours per day to teach you the best practice business systems and moves that you can use? Because they believe in you, and they have a lot of time on their hands.

They started from the bottom, now they’re here.

It’s the Thrive Time Show starring the former U .

S. Small Business Administration’s Entrepreneur of the Year, Clay Clark, and the entrepreneur trapped inside an optometrist’s body, Dr. Robert Zuckner.

Two men, eight kids, co -created by two different women, 13 multimillion dollar businesses. We started from the bottom, and now we’re at the top. Teaching you the systems to get what we got. Colton Dixon’s on the hooks. I break down the books. Z’s bringing some wisdom and the good looks.

As the father of Athens, that’s why I’m up. So if you see my wife in Kansas, please, it’s the C and Z up on your radio. And now, let’s go. Because the man who wrote this book and many other books, The Rich Dad Guide to Investing, Rich Dad, Poor Dad, The Cash Flow Quadrant. The man who wrote these books, the man who teamed up with Donald J. Trump to write a book about why he wanted to become rich, this man has decided to lower his standards yet again and to join us on The Thrive Time Show. The man who changed my life, the best -selling author, I think the best -selling entrepreneur author of my lifetime.

I think he’s sold over 70 million copies. Robert Kiyosaki, welcome onto The Thrive Time Show.

How are you, sir? My honor, my honor to be on your show.

And thank you for all you do.

I hear the ripple effects from you are good ripple effects. You know what I mean? People rave about what they learn from you.

So congratulations. Well, thank you, brother. And Eric Trump told me to tell you hello. He’s excited to see you in person here for our in -person workshop coming up March 6th and 7th. And so I wanted to talk to you, if we could go back to the very beginning. Rumor has it that the first copy of your book, Rich Dad, Poor Dad, when you self -published it, was purchased by a man at a car wash.

Could you share with us that story?

Because people know you as this megawatt, best -selling author, investor. But could you tell us how and or why you sold your first copy of your book at a car wash? Well, it’s kind of a long story, but I’ll do the best I can. As you know, capitalism is not taught in our school system. So a lot of our academic intellectual types, not to get political, are more left -leaning or anti -capitalists. So when I wrote Rich Dad Poor Dad, I submitted it to all the booksellers and five of them actually

said something like this on the rejection notice. When it comes to money, you don’t know what you’re talking about. And so I was kind of, you know, Clay, you’re an entrepreneur, I’m an entrepreneur, and as they say in Stoic, the obstacle is the way. And so if you let these pinheads get in your way, you’re in trouble. So I called one of my best friends up and I said, hey, you want a car wash? I want to sell my books.

I had 1 ,000 copies. self -published. He says, we don’t sell books in car washes. I said, God, what a great idea. You know, you’d be the only, I’d be the only book for sale in a car wash. And so the guy that picked it up was a orthopedic surgeon.

And he read the book. He went, oh my God, but he was also with Amway. So he set it up, uplining it to Dallas. This was Austin to Dallas. And this guy, Bill Galvin calls from Dallas with an old Southern drawing goes, Ah, great book.

I said, well, thank you.

Thank you. How many copies you get? God, I said, I got 1 ,000 minus 12, because I had 12 in the car wash. He says, yeah, I bought them all. I said, I’ll take the rest of them. I went, well, who are you?

He says, my name is Bill Galvin. I’m a diamond for Amway. And that’s how Rich Dad, Poor Dad got started, from a car wash to the network marketing industry, which Donald Trump and I both endorse, because it’s a source of capitalism. and the book took off from there.

So without Amway, I’d be in trouble.

Do you know two friends? Do you know two friends? Now, Robert, I gotta ask you this real quick here. You know, your book was centered around this thing called the cash flow quadrant. And for anybody who hasn’t researched this or hasn’t Googled this or hasn’t discovered this, it’s the migration or the path of an entrepreneur where you start off as being an employee, that’s step one. Then if you do that well,

you get promoted to being self -employed, you own your own job. And then if you do that really well, you get to become a business owner, which is what Dr. Zellner is today. And then you get to become an investor. Could you walk us through the cash flow quadrant? And then Dr. Zellner has a follow -up question for you. Well, it’s ESBI.

You can always tell an employee by their words. I’m not really religious, but in the Bible, it says the word becomes flesh. So employees always say the same words. I want a safe, secure job with benefits. And an S, a small business person says, if you want it done right, do it by yourself. And then the B entrepreneur says, I’m looking for the best team.

They want a team behind them. And the I is an investor, but it’s an insider investor. And people say, well, inside investment’s illegal. I said, no, it’s just how close to the inside are you? So when I invest, I don’t own any stocks or bonds and mutual funds because that’s for outside investors. I want to be part of the deal.

So my goal, you can see back here is my cashflow board game. My goal was to take three companies public on Toronto Stock Exchange, the New York Stock Exchange, and NASDAQ.

So I got Toronto and New York Stock Exchange public, and I’m going to take my NASDAQ company public this summer.

Wow.

The goals are different, if you know what I mean.

Now, Dr. Zellner, you grew up, you were washing dishes at Chiquita O ‘Brien’s. Yes, sir. $1 .80 an hour. $1 .80 an hour. And you built the largest auto auction in the state of Oklahoma. You basically took over a bank that wasn’t doing so well, and you rebranded it as bank regent or regent bank.

You built a super successful optometry clinic.

I mean, you built a lot of companies. Sir, what question would you have for Robert Kiyosaki here about the whole cash flow process? Well, Mr. K, I’m going to call him Special K, because he’s special. So tell me about your personal journey on writing. Tell me about, I mean, you’ve got this baby inside of you, and you want to birth it. How did you go about it?

And what was your secret sauce on getting the words out of your brain onto the paper? Because a lot of people out there are like, man, I got a great idea.

I want to write a book. But where do I get started? Well, it comes to, I was a US Marine. I went to military school also. And the first word we’re taught at the military academy is the word mission. And the Marines are taught the mission.

And so we all have a mission is spiritual.

Well, so the irony of it is I flunked out of high school twice because I can’t write.

Oh, my God. Even better.

It’s not that I couldn’t write.

The teacher did not like what I wrote. Does that make sense? I mean, it was censorship, basically, in schools.

And one of the comments I made is, when am I going to study money at school?

And her comment was, the love of money is the root of all evil. Oh, yeah. Do you know what I mean?

So as an entrepreneur, you’re always running up against somebody else’s bias, should I say, which is a free country.

They’re entitled to their point of view.

But she didn’t want me expressing anything about money because the love of money was evil.

I’m going, jeez.

So that’s how it started. I said, look, now I have an adversary called the school system. Now, Robert, I got to ask you this.

The cash flow quadrant was obviously in your book, I mean, Rich Dad Guide to Investing.

I’ve kind of desecrated this book.

I can’t believe that you do it worse than I do.

Well, I’m proud of you. Thank you. Oh, man, you should see that. I mean, every book that you’ve written, I highlight this. I’ve got post -it notes. People are saying, what did you do to that book?

But the cash flow quadrant is a big part of your curriculum and of your teaching. Tell us about the board game, because I don’t think a lot of people know about the board game.

I think people know about the book, Rich Dad, Poor Dad, but I think a lot of people don’t know about the cash flow board game. Walk us through the board game. That’s a very good. Thank you for saying that. We have four basic intelligences, mental, emotional, spiritual, physical. Mental, emotional, physical, spiritual.

So if you want to learn to play golf, you’d have to have a golf club, ironically. But what we do at school is they sit there and they just teach your brain, mental. And entrepreneurship, as you know, it requires mental, emotional, physical, spiritual. So the game incorporates all of that, your four intelligences. The middle part of the game is the rat race. And the rat race is where our schools send you to go to school, get a job, live in the rat race.

And the purpose of the game was to expand your context. You know, how big a world can you see onto the fast track? Like I said, you know, once I understood money, I said, I need to achieve better, bigger goals. So you got to learn to walk before you run. And that’s why my goal was to take companies public. That’s what entrepreneurs do.

So I took my first company public on Toronto. It was a Chinese gold mine in China. And as soon as we struck gold the Chinese said thank you very much. Chinese food anymore. The second the second gold mine took public was on New York Stock Exchange. And that gold mine was in.

It’s in Utah pretty close to Provo. And the third the third mine I’m going to take public is a. of environmental. I’m not an anti environmentalist but it’s carbon credits. You know we get paid to sell carbon credits. So that I want to list on NASDAQ.

So just goals. So the purpose of the game was to take what you knew and expand possibility. That’s all it was designed to do. Now, Robert, I want to go back to my 18 -year -old mind, and I want to share with you an unfortunate but true story. Dr. Robert Zellner was my wife’s first boss. So the first full -time job my wife had, you know, my wife’s 18 years old.

We were dating.

Dr. Robert Zellner runs the optometry clinic, and he’s my wife’s first boss.

At the time, I had earrings in both ears.

You were a thug.

I dressed like a rapper, but I wasn’t a rapper. And I was trying to build a disc jockey entertainment company, not knowing what I was doing.

What did she see in you? I still don’t know. I don’t know. And I do know that it was a situation where I kept trying to pick your brain, and you kept trying to avoid me in your lobby. And that was a real thing that happened. And so I remember, I finally, Robert Kiyosaki, I finally tricked Dr. Zellner into letting me meet him for lunch.

And during lunch, I said, and there’s things that you might have not even remembered that you told me, but I said, Dr. Zellner, I said, hey, I’m not getting any customers. If you were me, what would you do? I asked, and you were saying, well, you should probably advertise. And I remember thinking, how can I afford that? And then you said, well, why don’t you just get two or three jobs? And you told me about working at Chiquita O ‘Brien’s.

Anyway, long story short, I got a job at Applebee’s, Target, and DirecTV. And that was that tough love mentorship that I needed. I needed to be told, hey, You’re not a rapper, stop dressing like one, get three jobs, show up on time, write things down, get serious. And it was almost like a military baptism by fire sort of thing. I needed that. Robert, what would you say to somebody who’s watching this show that’s under the age of 30 and they’re

along. They want to achieve super success. Where are these young folks getting stuck? What advice would you have for an entrepreneur out there? Plumber, doctor, dentist, somebody who’s got a business, but it’s just not growing.

They’re not gaining traction.

What would you say to them, sir?

You need a Robert Zeller.

There you go. Mistakes of leadership. Yes. Rich Dad Porn is very similar. My poor dad was a PhD, you know, poor, helpless, and desperate. And my rich dad was my best friend’s father.

And both men kicked my butt. I mean, they were tough guys. They were good men, very straightforward, honest men. I’ll tell you a quick story is I want to open a restaurant. So my rich dad said, OK, get a job running a bar. I said, why?

He says, do as I tell you. So I got a job. I was still in the Marine Corps. I was stationed in Hawaii. I got a job running a bar. And I said, what the hell am I doing here?

And he had me measure the poor counts. My rich dad was, I said, what do you mean? He says, your bartender’s robbing you blind. I went, what? Your help’s robbing you blind. And he says, you’re so effing stupid.

Your help’s stealing everything from you because you’re effing stupid. Wake up. I went, and so Robert Zeller, I mean, that’s tough luck.

He says, you better figure out how they steal from you or else you’re not going to make it.

And so that’s the kind of lessons in our real life versus, you know, what’s the stochastic average of this and all that stuff.

I had to figure out how my friends were stealing from me.

Dr. Z, what follow -up question would you have for Robert Kiyosaki, sir? Well, I tell you what, what’s next?

What’s next for you? I’m taking on Marxism. This woke stuff has got to go. It’s got to go. And how does that look?

How does taking on Marxism look to you? Because I want in on that. I want in on that game.

We fight back with capitalism.

That’s why, you know, the Eric Trump and Don Jr. You look at those two young men. I hunt with them. I go over the world with them. They’re the finest young men. They’re like their dad.

So like father, like son. So I was in Hawaii with Don and Eric Trump. And we go into this restaurant and those boys go into the back of the restaurant and they shake hands with all the help. They did that every where I went.

The classic young man.

So like father like son. And then you got Hunter Biden who’s a criminal like his father. Yeah. You know. So it’s unless we stand up and say enough of this enough of this. You know the whole military went woke.

And they’re talking about diversity and equity and all this stuff. So then we’re all one unit. No, no, no, no.

Some of you are black.

Some of you are white. I was a U .

S. Marine. You know, we’re all Marines. Right. And Marines stay together. That’s what we have to teach our kids.

Now, Robert, I want to ask you this. You know, with your career, you actually decided at one point to sit down with Donald J. Trump, and you wrote a book called Why We Want You to Be Rich. That was the book. You also wrote a book called The Midas Touch. Both books are epic. They’re life -changing.

In my opinion, everybody should read them.

Let’s talk about that for a second, though, because we have a guy that just walked in our studio, and I promise when I edit this, you’ll be able to see these mystery voices, but we have a guy in our office right now, Steve Currington, and he’s a very successful mortgage banker. And, Steve, I think if you wrote a book, it might be called Why You Want to Be, Why Steve Wants to Become Rich. But Robert, you wrote a book about why you want other people to become rich. So tell us about that book. What inspired you to write that book? Well, Donald and I met in green rooms.

You know, we would be we share this. We’re doing this huge real estate investment, things like a Javits Center. We traveled to Australia together, San Francisco. And I got to know the guy very, very well. And the man is a character. He is.

He is funny as hell. and what he has got a big heart. And we started talking about the gap between the rich and the poor. And as you know, for Marxism or communism, the thing that sparks revolution is the gap between rich and poor. So that’s when Donald and I said, well, what can we do to influence the world to teach people to be capitalists versus poor people? You know, that the idea of go to school, get a job.

And you look at unemployment right now, it’s going to go through the roof with AI coming in. So we have a very serious problem. And then my generation, the Bloomer generation, we don’t have enough to retire on. And the biggest problem I see that we all know about is a national debt of $36 trillion. We’re adding a trillion dollars every 100 days. The interest on our debt is greater than our national defense budget.

And our military is teaching people about gender equality. Something is wrong in this country. So that’s what we fight about. I fight against education to be capitalists and entrepreneurs. Most importantly, we can teach. Robert, one of the things that you said on multiple interviews, multiple times, and every time you said it, I thought to myself, have I not been paying attention?

Because it felt like new information to me. The first time I heard it, which is probably the 50th time I’d heard it, you said octa nonverba.

And maybe the first time you said it, I was dreaming. while I’m you know listening to the podcast while driving and maybe I was half paying attention but I octa nonverba and then it was like a almost like an angelic moment for me. And I, octa non verba. And once I finally understood what it meant and what you were saying and how it could be used, I, I think it was a life changing for me and how I approach business. Could you explain octa non verba, what it means and how our listeners can apply it? Clay, you gave me goosebumps, man. I’m glad it hit you as hard as it did.

Octononverba is the motto of the U . S. Merchant Marine Academy at Kingspoint, New York. I had appointments with Naval Academy and Kingspoint Merchant Marine Academy. And Merchant Marine Academy’s motto was Octononverba. In other words, don’t listen to what a person says.

Watch what they do. So you can tell a person whether they’re capitalist or communist by their actions. So here’s Trump. He puts the wall up. Biden took the wall down. Do you know what I mean?

Octa non verbo. That man is a traitor. I mean, opening the wall up and then all this DEI stuff, I’m going, they’re trying to kill our country by weakening our military. Our national debt, like I said, is more than what we spend on the military. And then we have all of these people we’re putting up in, you know, we’re housing our immigrants in the best hotels.

That’s all Marxism. What are you doing? Not what you’re saying. So I just listen to that stuff. And I can tell a person’s act by what they’re doing, not get distracted by their words.

That’s the most I watch when a person’s actions are not what they say.

Now, I’m going to tee this up for Dr. Zellner, but this was something big.

Dr. Z, when you guys bought the Bank of Nahuatl,

then you guys rebranded it as Bank Regent. I think you were the chairman of the board. Was that your official title? No, I was on the board. I wasn’t the chairman.

Sean Copeland was the chairman. OK, so Sean Copeland was the chairman. And I remember I went out to lunch with Sean Copeland at Cedar Ridge Country Club. And I was asking Sean, I said, Sean, and this was before he bought the bank, but he was at Grand Bank and was thinking about buying the bank with you. And I said, what should I do with my money? And he said, what do you mean?

I said, you know, with my disc jockey company, djconnection . com, we’re doing about 4 ,000 events a year. So we’re spitting out about $150 to $175 of profit per event. There’s 4 ,000 events. What should I do with the cash? And he said, well, I’d take a quarter of your wealth and buy gold and silver.

And I’m going, what? At the time, it was $400 an ounce. We’re talking 2005 -ish. And well, now it’s $2 ,700 an ounce. And I said, Sean, you own a bank. And he said, well, actually, I work at a bank.

I don’t own a bank. It’s a bank that I work for. But I’m just telling you, you should take a quarter of your wealth, buy gold and silver. take a quarter of it and buy real estate from emotional people. And I said, emotional people? And he’s a funny guy, but he was like, when people’s clothes are burning in the lawn, that’s a good sign.

The grass is overgrown. And he said, if you’ll just do that, then you’ll be fine. And I said, what should I do with the other half of my cash? He said, well, keep it on hand for your new business plan. And at the time, I thought, I’m never going to have a new business idea because djconnection . com at that time in my life had defined every waking hour of my life from age 15 to age 25.

That’s all I thought about was growing that company. And so I remember I told my young wife, we’ve been married about five years, I said, I’m going to buy an ounce of gold. Basically, every time that we have $400, I’m going to buy an ounce of gold. And we’re just going to keep doing that with a quarter of our money. And so I think my wife thought I lost my mind. I thought I lost my mind.

But it was that octaverba moment where I started doing it. I started buying it.

gold. Now it’s 2 ,700 now. So I want to ask you, Z, this question. When you and Sean were talking about buying the bank, how did that conversation go? And when did you recognize it was octanonverba time? It’s not time to talk about buying a bank, but let’s go buy a bank.

When did that moment happen? Well, I was speaking at a conference, You know, when you’re done speaking at a conference, people come up to you and they give their business cards and they shake your hand, want to meet you. And so Sean came up to me and said, hey, where do you bank?

And I told him, he said, well, I’m a banker over at, I think it was Grand Bank, as you said.

He said, why don’t you, let me take you to lunch.

I said, I’m not interested in switching banks unless I owned part of it.

And he looked at me and we locked eyes and we had that moment.

And I said, How about you and I get in a bank together?

What do you think?

And he said, oh my, I signed up for more for this conference than I thought.

Absolutely.

Let’s go find a bank and do this together.

And you did. And we did. And we got other investors and, and we, um, we had a model and we did it and that was successful, but we bought it. Then we had the big downturn of the 2008 downturn.

You timed it perfectly.

Oh, we timed it perfectly. Yes. Uh, we were out counting cows and in pasture because, uh, I want to I want to give this this backdrop to Robert Kiyosaki, because, Robert, you know, you obviously people know you as a man who’s had massive success now. But when did you decide to be the gold buyer guy? Like when did you decide to, you know, not just think about it and study it and look at look into the collapse of the dollar? When did you decide, hey, you know what, I’m actually going to start buying gold?

When did that happen for you, Robert? Well, the first time was silver. That’s huge. the most feared weapon by the Viet Cong. You know, we’d come rolling in. And so my coal pilot and I said, what does that mean, gold standard?

I said, well, maybe we should go buy some gold. You know, because gold was like 35, was now at 50. So we’re on this carrier off of China. We look in the map of Vietnam. We see this pick and shovel AU. I said, oh, it’s a gold mine.

So we fly behind. The shovel was behind enemy lines. The NVA had already run it over. The Marines aren’t the brightest guys in the box. I said, well, if we get in there quick, we might be able to buy some gold at a discount. Like two idiots.

With a crew chief, we flew in behind enemy lines.

We land next to this village. We disarm. We walk into the village. There’s bamboos. I can still see it, like crystal clear. And we have our hands up.

He says, we come as capitalists. We’re not Marines. We’re just here to buy gold. So we go into the village. They point us to a gold seller, a little woman, and she had a little bamboo shack. And I said, and we’re looking at these gold nuggets.

This is 1972. And I looked at him, I looked at my co -pilot, looked at me, and do you realize, Clay, it was illegal to own gold for Americans at that time? We didn’t know what gold was. So we stood there looking at like, other like idiots. And then all of a sudden, he was yelling and screaming.

So we knew the NVA was coming south and we’re going to be POWs if we didn’t get out of there. So I’m yelling at him and he’s yelling at me. Our partnership dissolved. You stupid son of a bitch. I still remember coming through the village and this duck got in my way. I drop kicked the duck and pissed off the peasants out there.

Get to my helicopter. And the reason my crew chief was screaming My helicopter was sinking.

I parked it on a rice paddy.

So Marines are not the brightest guys on Earth. So my helicopter is sinking like this back in into the mud. And I’ve got to watch out for that tail rotor. So I put my little crew chief in the driver’s seat. And so the two pilots get behind by that tail rotor. And we’re holding it up.

Wow. And the guy starts the engine. And mud flew everywhere. So we’re now covered in mud. But we got the thing out. We climbed in.

We got back to the ship.

my commanding officer says, Where the hell have you guys been? We just covered in what was it? Don’t ask. Now, Robert, that’s how I became a gold bug. And I went to Hong Kong, I bought my first crawl Kruger man, 50 bucks. I still have it today.

It’s in storage in Switzerland. Now, sir, I have a couple rapid -fire questions for you about gold, and I want to go to Steve Currington, the mortgage guru, so he can ask you a question here. On the gold thing, before we get into the deep dive on the gold thing, you had a lot of missions in that helicopter, in those helicopters.

And one thing I try to do on this show, and I don’t know that I do a good job, is I try to be at least self -aware or self -deprecating, because I know people look at the success of Dr. Zellner, and they go, I could never do that.

But I think it’s important to talk about the dishwashing phase.

I think it’s important for people

know the jackassery that I went through. And if you’re OK, sir, I’d like to keep this story private between you, me, and our listeners. I believe that you might have got yourself in some trouble while you were in the Marines. Are you willing to share about that a little bit there, sir?

And if not, we can punt and move on to another question.

Talk about me?

Yes, sir. I’m actually proud of it. I was court -martialed twice. And I’m an Academy graduate. But the problem was, like most men, it’s a woman who got me in trouble. Always.

Always. So I was in Hawaii. We came back from Vietnam, got stationed in Hawaii. And we had shaved heads, and those were the days of the hippies. So we were having trouble with dates in Waikiki. So my friend and I said, let’s offer helicopter rides to the cutest girls.

And so we were flying women in our helicopter, drunk as skunks, having a great time, flying out into the island. And when they caught us, when they shut me down, they opened up my, this is the Kaneohe Marine Corps Air Station. They opened the door of my helicopter. The first thing that fell out were beer cans. The second that fell out was me. Then they find women’s underwear in the back and scuba gear.

You can’t take scuba gear up in the air. So for some reason, I went to jail. It was the best thing that ever happened to me, because I sat there, I had to look at myself. You know, what the hell was I trying to do? And so I went, I got this guy, Captain Abrams was the prosecutor. I go into court, I said, I found, I said, I better start telling the truth.

It’s about time.

So he said, you tell the whole truth, nothing but the truth.

I said, yes, sir. He says, tell me. I told him everything. I told him stuff he didn’t even know. At the end of it, Captain Abrams says, you’re free. I said, what? I said, how much time am I going to do?

He says, you’re free.

And he says, you’re getting an honorable discharge. Clay, I almost broke down and cried. That’s saying the truth, so I said, you’re free. I wasn’t trying to hide it anymore. But it was the best lesson.

It was kind of the reward for being such a bad boy was to understand the meaning of truth.

Wow.

That changed my life. Like, I never cheated on my wife.

I don’t do those things.

I don’t cheat on taxes. I don’t cheat. Do you know what I mean?

I’d rather just play by the rules now.

But I needed to go have my ass almost put in jail.

Now, sir, can you hold up that helicopter again?

Can you tell us, what’s the make and model of the helicopter that you were flying while intoxicated?

This is a UH -1E, and it’s very underpowered.

But those are rocket pods and machine guns.

And it was the most feared weapon by the Viet Cong. That’s called the 1G? Yeah. I could fly right into their houses and shoot them. Wow.

Now, Steve, you’ve been sober for how long now, Steve?

2016. Since 2016. And Steve, he has a wonderful mortgage company called stevecurrington . com. He’s kind of known as the guy in Tulsa, Oklahoma that’s always driving Lamborghinis and flying around in his plane from point A to point B. And so I thought since we’re talking about sobriety and flying in aircraft, this would be a good segue for you, Steve. So what question would you have?

I know Robert’s books have changed your life. So what question would you have for Robert Kiyosaki? Well, I know you’re big on buying gold, but what else do you buy? Do you buy S &P 500? Are you diversified and other stuff? What other things do you recommend that someone might buy if they’re interested?

buying gold, what are some other things that you buy? You know, stock tips here, Robert. I don’t, uh, I have stocks, but they’re my company. Like they cut my company. I took public. So I don’t buy other people’s shares.

I’m a selling shareholder, not a buying shareholder. That’s the fast track out there. That’s the purpose of the game is pushing mine up there. So I don’t do S and P 500 at all. My, my full, I’m not saying is right or wrong, but I don’t do S and P 500. But I like real estate because I’m using 100 % debt financing.

Because after 1971, when Nixon took the dollar off the gold standard, the U . S. dollar became debt or U . S. treasuries.

And my concern right now is the bond market is going to crash because the Chinese are dumping our bonds. But I buy real estate on 100 % debt. So let’s say I have a piece of real estate throwing off 25 bucks a month. That’s an infinite return because I have no money in it. Now, I’ve studied real estate for most of my life.

My rich dad started me teaching real estate by playing Monopoly.

You know, four greenhouses, 1031 tax deferred exchange, red hotel. So if you go to Waikiki Beach today, you’ll find the Hyatt Regency Hotel right on Waikiki Beach. That was my rich dad’s hotel. And he was teaching me how to acquire real estate for nothing. So that’s why you need a Dr. Zelf as a teacher. Teacher.

Yeah. You got to have teachers. Now, Dr. Z, I want to ask you this question here. The building you’re in, for anybody who wants to Google it, they can type in Dr. Robert Zellner and Associates, and they can find your optometry clinic. You’re located next to Oklahoma’s most prominent mall.

You have a beautiful location.

They just renovated the mall with a Shields support center there. It’s amazing. And you’ve owned that thing for years. But could you share with the listeners out there how you acquired the property? Because my understanding is that you it’s not for sale, or it’s not easy to buy.

And I think somebody out there needs to understand the maybe abbreviated version of what you went through to buy that property, which you still own today. Yeah, it was a third of an acre. And the guy was going to build a BurgerTime, went through a divorce, and had a contract on it, had a backup contract on it. And I wanted that property. And the real estate agent said, well, there’s There’s already two contracts in play. And I said, I don’t care.

I’m going to do a third one.

So we did. And then the first one fell through. And then the second one was getting ready to fall through. It was going to be a Jiffy Lube. And they had to get everybody around there in the PUD to sign off on it in order to do automotive. And so I called the ex -wife down in Dallas.

And I told her my story. And I said, you know what? You know, here’s my story, here’s who I am, and I’d like to give you $10 ,000 more and close in 30 days. She goes, okay, done, sold. So instead of renewing that contract that was ahead of me, because I could get all the signatures signed off on it, all the big corporations signed off on it, I was able to get that piece of property.

And I was just nice and, you know, honest and nice. And of course, a little extra money didn’t hurt, but yeah. But Robert Kiyosaki, sir, you have a quote that I love. I love this quote of yours. There’s so many quotes I love, but this particular quote, I’m going to read it. I hope I don’t mangle it.

It says, the size of your success is measured by the strength of your desire, the size of your dream, and how you handle disappointment along the way.

If Dr. Zellner hadn’t had a massive desire, if he hadn’t pushed through adversity, if he hadn’t broken all the rules and made an offer after two offers were already made, he would not have purchased that property.

Could you walk the entrepreneur through, the young entrepreneur out there, sir, through the mindset that you have?

You know, because Robert Kiyosaki, I mean, you’ve had massive success. You continue to have massive success. What’s the mindset that you have when you encounter adversity of some kind? Well, first of all, let’s go back to the old cliche, you got to set goals, right? And a lot of people set very small goals.

The reason is a cashflow board game is I want to push the brain out to what’s possible in my life. So I have different goals. That’s how it starts. And one goal as most entrepreneurs is you want to own a jet. So I own a layer 60, but the problem was how do I get somebody else to pay for it? That’s how I ever made a dream.

Yeah. So that I don’t, you can see the back of my, uh, there’s a Ferrari on my dock behind the balloon. My Ferrari there is how do I get somebody else to pay for it? So the way that I bought that Ferrari is I bought a mini storage first and the mini storage cash flowed and it paid for the Ferrari. So until you challenge your brain. And, you know, and be careful who you listen to.

But Dr. Zellner, I mean, really, I’m not serious. You know, thank you for being a coach and same as with you, Clay.

If we don’t challenge what we think, not that it’s right or wrong, but challenge what you think. So I’m not saying don’t play the stock market.

It just wasn’t my game.

You know, like I played rugby.

I don’t play soccer, different games and different team members.

So that’s what it comes down to.

It’s just real life.

And so I have the best team players going.

best accountants, attorneys, real estate guys. I own Wagyu cattle. You know why I own Wagyu cattle is because I sell the semen, sperm flow. I don’t have to kill it. And you got to tax pay for it.

You know what I mean?

And there’s so many ways to do it. can make money out there. Hey, if you sell them, maybe you can buy a Lamborghini, get you a Lamborghini. Okay. Now real quick, Dr. Z, you are a man who decided to get involved in the Horse, what horse? Nice, nice segue.

I knew you were going to segue to that. That’s a passion of yours. You always wanted to have a horse. And now you have a horse that actually did well this year. And some of these professional, can you talk to, share with Robert Kiyosaki about your journey into the horse world? Because that was your vision was to own horses and have somebody else pay for it.

Yeah. And that’s exactly right. When I was a little boy, You know, you had two or three channels, and the only thing we could watch was like Bonanza and some Western shows.

And I thought, man, you know, I was very poor, big family.

I thought, man, one of these days, I want to own a horse ranch because that means you made it.

And I just put that on my bucket list. And then eventually, one day, I thought, now it’s time to get my horse ranch.

I thought, what kind of horses do I want? And I did exactly like you did, Special K. I said, I want the kind of horses that somebody else pays for. So I went and got thoroughbreds because they race, they get purse money, and people gamble on it, and you can sell them. And so I just immersed myself into the thoroughbred industry, didn’t know anything about it. Went to Kentucky, went to some breeding seminars, and talked a lot about semen. And anyway, the idea of trying to take two animals and make a better animal.

was fascinating to me. So I’ve had some success, and it’s been a fun journey, and I love it. I love horses, and I love my horse ranch, and so that’s kind of fun whenever you put something as a young boy on your bucket list, and then the day comes where you finally have it, and then you get to enjoy it. That’s quite special. Now, this is going to sound like a series of passive -aggressive compliments, but they’re not. These are positive.

These are not negative. backhanded compliments.

Dr. Z, let’s just say you’re not 25 years old. Robert Kiyosaki, let’s just say you’re not 25 years old. But so many people that I see, that I meet, they say, you know, my desire, my goal, my big vision is to vacation, which the word vacation means to retreat from. But the people that I have found who are the most successful, that are the most vibrant, that are the most alive, regardless of age, are people that seek a vote. So if you look at vocation, the meaning of vocation in Latin is your calling. And I believe that both of you, Dr. Z and Robert Kiyosaki, you guys are very much alive and you’re exhilarated and probably more enthusiastic than the average 20 year old because you have a calling that you’re pursuing, something that gets you excited every morning.

And I want to get your thoughts on this, Robert Kiyosaki, because you are doing some big things right now. You’ve got the cashflow board game going on, but you’re really, really talking about the future. future of money on your podcast. I mean, you’re not. So tell us about what your what kinds of topics you’re talking about on your podcast now, because I’m seeing you now talk about the future of money. You’re really staying on top of BRICS and their attempt to unseat the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency.

Tell us about what topics you’re discussing on your podcast right now, sir. Well, again, this this 1964 was a Kennedy half dollar was the last silver coin and 65. You turn a coin over like this. It was copper. And then it got me curious, and I started studying money. And all throughout history, every time they aberrated the money, the empire came down.

So that’s a long way of saying it. One day, I was, this was in the 80s, I was in a seminar with Dr. Buckminster Fuller, I created the G. Desic Dome and all that. And he asked me this question everybody asks a young man, he goes, what’s your purpose, what do you want to do? And I said, I just want to get rich. And he says, that’s a very short answer. And then Bucky says something, Bucky Fuller said to me, he says, what does God want you to do?

What does God want you to do? And I sat there going, I served my country, two tours in Vietnam and all this. Well, what was my, and it came down to my natural interest in money.

And I don’t trust my government. And I went to Vietnam. I’m like, where will I do out here? And I didn’t trust him. And I trusted our money less. Like I said, that’s when I flew this little baby here.

behind enemy lines to look for gold. But that who would ever known that my purpose was to teach people about money. But it was a passion of mine because as you know every time they print money the rich get richer but the poor middle class get poorer. So we’re printing a trillion dollars every 90 days now. So those who own real assets like Waiku cattle gold silver real estate oil we get richer. But what else goes up in price is food, like chicken and eggs.

You can’t afford eggs today. So every time you print fake money, which is what I saw back when I was 17 years old, when you print fake money, guys like us get richer, but my friends and family get poorer because no financial education in school.

Now, let’s drill down into that for a second.

Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, the BRICS nations for 16, almost 17 years, they’ve been hoarding the Earth’s gold.

Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. These countries are not screwing around. They’ve been hoarding the Earth’s gold in preparation to do what? Well, Putin has announced a great expansion of the BRICS block. And now you have, I’m just giving a rough average here, but now you have the majority of the Earth’s assets are controlled by these nations that identify with the BRICS block.

And these countries have a stated goal of introducing a gold -backed programmable currency. I don’t think the average person knows that, and I don’t think the average person knows that the United States enjoys an incredible privilege as the world’s reserve currency since the Bretton Woods Agreement. I don’t think people know that. I know that because of your teaching and others, but most people Do not know that. So could you maybe articulate or explain, Robert Kiyosaki, for our listeners out there, why do our listeners need to know that Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, those countries are hoarding the Earth’s gold and attempting to introduce a new reserve currency? Because I think it was J .

P. Morgan or somebody that said gold is money, the rest is credit or debt. And gold is the only money there is, according to his theory. So that’s what I tell the story of flying behind enemy lines. It’s Gresham’s law. We know what real money from fake money.

But my greatest concern here is this. If we don’t make changes in what we teach ourselves and our kids, the poverty in America is going to go through the roof because we’re now the biggest debtor nation in the world. And you know, like what they’re teaching us now is D . I.

What about teaching us money?

I don’t think it’s a mistake. That’s my concern. It drives me on. It drives me on, drives me on because I love my country to tourism right now. But why does a school system not teach us anything about the truth about money?

So gold is money.

I call it God’s money.

Gold and silver are God’s money. And Bitcoin is people’s money. The dollar is fake money.

And the more fake money we produce, which we do every day now, the greater the poverty goes up.

Inflation wipes out the middle class and poor. But guys like me get richer because I own gold and silver. now.

Now Robert, you know I want to tie this into your relationship with Eric Trump because you are you are coming to our business conference here in March and Eric Trump speaks so highly of about you.

I’m working with Eric on his new book and so I was with him two Mondays ago finalizing some language on the book and Eric’s putting out his first book here at an age where where he’ll probably be the same age his father was when his father put out The Art of the Deal. So his father put out, Donald J. Trump put out The Art of the Deal at age 41, and Eric is putting together a book at a similar age. So it’s really exciting to see him do that. And he speaks super highly of you. Now, Steve, we were at, Eric and I have done 25 events together. Right.

And you were stage side at one of the events.

And I never know what Steve’s going to say to people he just met.

All I know, I think you told Eric, you said, hey, I’m the guy that drives the Lamborghini. Is that what you said to him? I don’t remember exactly what I said because I was kind of in shock, you know, when you meet somebody like that, that obviously we have all have a lot of respect for. Yeah. And, uh, but Laura, Laura was the icon that night. I think everyone wanted to see Laura.

Yeah. He married up. Okay. Well, I got to ask you. So now, now that you have met Eric and, uh, Robert is very good friends with the Trump family. What question would you have for Robert Kiyosaki about working with the Trump family, hunting with the Trump Trump family?

What question would you have? Well, I think the perception that a lot of us, uh, supporters of them have is that they’re just. Uh, super down to earth, normal guys, which is what I kind of got in my quick meeting with Eric that I have. Uh, can you talk a little bit about that, about like your interactions with them and what, you know, some people are just, uh, a little different when they’re on their own, but I would, I would imagine that they’re, they’re pretty down to earth guys. Is that, is that accurate? Amen, brother.

Hey, I go, I go to this private Island in Hawaii called the EOFS special permission. We fly in via helicopter. There’s no toilets, no running water, nothing. And we go there to hunt. And you get to know people pretty closely when you got no toilets, nothing, and you’re sleeping on the outside.

We had to catch our own food.

And those young boys, young men now, they’re such well, the best young men. We’re driving to the airport, catch the helicopter on the island of Kauai to Niihau. And Don Junior and Eric were talking to their sister. She was dating some guy, I think the guy she married. And they were giving her recipes to so she could cook for her future husband.

I said, who in the world taught you guys recipes?

Our mother, you know, and they go back, goes back to the mother also. So I said, our mother was a strong, strong woman.

So anyway, it does take a family. And I think that’s what’s really quite shocking is the number of single moms raising boys today. It’s tragic, tragic. Now, Dr. Z, you do a form of hunting. Some might call it foe hunting, where Robert Kiyosaki, Eric’s told me that he actually has been hunting with Robert Kiyosaki on multiple occasions, where they’re out there for multiple days. They’re in a situation where they’re kind of removed from the accoutrements of modern life.

They’re sort of off the grid. Dr. Z, can you share with Robert Kiyosaki here about your approach to hunting? Because I think your approach to hunting is a little bit different. Well, I’m more of a hunter. gentleman hunter, I guess you would say. High fence is kind of my friend.

And you know, they don’t actually tie the animal to the tree. But you know, it is it is kind of almost a guaranteed hunt, wink, wink, if you know what I mean. That’s awesome. And then we retired to the fire pit area where have a cigar and maybe a beverage of your choice. Real quick, this is a true story here.

Dr. Z, I’ve listened to an unhealthy amount of Robert Kiyosaki’s podcasts, and I’ve spent an unhealthy amount of time with you. And you two guys are so similar. So when Robert comes to the event in Tulsa, We’re organizing a dinner that night for a couple of the speakers. I’m going to make sure you two guys get to know each other, because you are so similar in every checkbox, and you guys are both so excited about teaching success. So I want to go back to this idea of teaching success. There’s somebody watching this show right now, and you are in a hypnotic rhythm.

Somebody watching, I’m talking to you right now. You’re in a hypnotic rhythm where you go to work, you go to church, you go home. I’ll repeat. You go to work, you go to church, you go home. Again, you go to work, you go to church, you go home. You’re 37.

You go to work, you go to church, you go home. You’re 52. And there’s somebody needs to just wake up. There’s something that has to happen. I grew up without money. And Robert Kiyosaki, your book was, my boss, Jeremy Thorne said, Clay, I’m a 19 -year -old working at Faith Highway and Impact Productions.

It’s a call center. He says, you need to read this book.

Rich dad, poor dad. And I said, why? He said, cause you’re going 90 miles an hour in a circular motion. You’re like a boat without a rudder. I see the energy you’re putting into it. I’m a couple of years older than you.

And I really think you need to read this book and just the discipline of knowing, okay, here’s the path. I’m going to go from being an employee to self -employed, to being a business owner, to being an investor. That was so freeing for me. And then 2005 meeting with Sean Copeland and Dr. Z and a handful of guys who kept telling me, you know, just save a set percentage of your income. You know, just say, just that discipline of take 25 % of my income, buy gold. 25 % by real estate from emotional people that let me know there was a proven path.

What do you say to somebody right now? Who’s watching this Robert Kiyosaki in there for some reason, they’ve been in that hypnotic rhythm. They’ve been drifting, which I think is more dangerous than going the wrong way. Cause you don’t know how bad it’s getting. What do you say to somebody who needs that wake up call, sir? Well, you’ve got to seek teacher.

Who are your teachers?

Like Dr. Z, you know, I would seek him out. And I sought my rich dad out. And it came from the story of the three wise men. Not very religious, but I had to go to Sunday school. And my Sunday school teacher said, why were the three wise men wise? And I said, because they were rich.

And she goes, what? I’m seven years old. They were rich. She goes, why do you say that? I said, one had gold, one had frankincense, and one had myrrh.

That’s why they were wise. She goes, that’s not it. So I said, well, why were they wise?

She says, they were seeking the best teacher.

And that became a guiding lesson in my life that I have had, I’ve had numerous types of rich dads and rich women, but I want to seek the people who are actually doing it, not theorizing it.

So I was in the MBA program, I was sound asleep, and this guy was telling me stuff he’d never done before.

Do you know what I mean?

How can you teach kids when you haven’t done it before? That’s like when I went to Vietnam, I saw, you know, like this thing here, Before I was teaching at Camp Pendleton, and I wanted to know who was the best pilot, the best gunship pilot. His name was Captain Forrester. And so I was at Camp Pendleton, California, and I sought Captain Forrester out. I said, Captain Forrester, teach me. And he taught me stuff they don’t teach you in flight school, how to steer a plane.

how to fight, how to gun, how to hit trees. And so you always want to seek the best teacher. And I still do the same thing today. I still seek the best teacher. Now Robert Kiyosaki, one thing I noticed a lot, and Dr. Z I’m sure you’ve seen it a lot, I meet people all the time that come into my life and they say, you know, I’ve got 400 ,000 followers on Twitter. And I go, well, that’s, that’s incredible.

That’s actually more than I have.

It’s incredible.

Thank you. And they’ll say, uh, and so I don’t, here’s the thing. I don’t actually have any money. And I hear that all the time to go. I have, I’m on TikTok. I got a million followers on TikTok.

It happens. I mean, at every. business conference I’ve done and I have spoken at business conferences for now 20 years doing this and when I people will show up and they do it all the time and it’s becoming increasingly normal for somebody who’s a a beautiful looking man or woman and they’ll come to me and they’ll say I’ve got it. 170 ,000 followers on Instagram. I’m kind of a big deal on Instagram, you know, I don’t have any actual customers. And they’re constantly feeding the beast, making videos, making viral videos about how to get rich.

And then the videos keep getting shorter because, you know, the shorts get more views, right? So now they’re doing like 14 second videos where they go… And they’re adding music to it and the videos are getting dumber and shorter and they’re getting more viral and they’re making less money and they’re spending more of their time making these videos. Robert Kiyosaki, what do you say about the world of charlatanism that we live in, where all these influencers who keep making increasingly shorter and dumber videos? What are your thoughts on that? Well, first of all, I think YouTube is a tremendous educational platform for good and bad.

So you’ve got to really choose your teachers wisely as anything else. So the biggest, best lesson sits in the back here. And I think you do it and Dr. Z does it. Once you learn something, if you really want to learn it, you got to teach it. Teaching is one of the highest gifts you can give yourself.

But like when I meet people like you, Clay, I was at the gym yesterday, and these young guys come up to me and say, thank you, you changed my life. That’s the biggest juice there is. You know, when you get back what you’ve learned, you’ve actually earned it then. So I created the board game so that once you learn the game, then you can teach others. And that’s how we change the world. People, people, is better than going to school.

I’m going to pull this up real quick so our listeners can see this. The website here, richdad . com, richdad . com, that’s where you can purchase the board game. Sir, is there a better place you want to direct people to? Where’s the best place to buy the Cash Flow board game?

Where can we go there, sir? Well, it’s on the Rich Dad website. I don’t do that. No problem. I’m going there right now. I’m making it easy.

I’ll put a link on the show notes rich dad . com Z. I’m clicking on this on the store button here. I’m clicking. I’m pushing through carpal tunnel. I’m doing I’m clicking on the products button. I’m scrolling.

I’m I’m pushing.

I’m pushing now.

Now I encourage everybody out there. Burrington, this is what I’m asking. I’m asking everybody out there that doesn’t hate themselves to go right now to richdad . com.

If you hate yourself, don’t worry about it. But if you don’t hate yourself, go to richdad .

com and you’ll scroll under products, buy a copy of the physical game there.

That’s call to action number one. Call to action number two, there’s this incredible podcast on YouTube called the Rich Dad Radio Show. I listen to this show everywhere I go. And I find myself listening to things like Octanon Verba, and it takes me like seven times to get that concept through my cranium. And there’s a lot of shows that are not the Rich Dad Show, so you wanna go to the official Rich Dad channel. There’s a lot of people that wanna be the Rich Dad channel, but they’re not.

So you go up here to YouTube, you gotta find, I’ll put a link on the show notes as well. Now again, see, this only applies to people that don’t hate themselves. So one by a copy of the book to, or the copy of the board game to subscribe on YouTube. And now Steve Currington, final question. What question would you have for Robert Kiyosaki, sir? Are you still flying?

Do you ever get up in the left seat of that Lear 60 or, or no, no, no. It’s called proficiency. You lose your touch really quickly. Yep.

So.

It’s best I stay, unless somebody was flying every day, so I sit in the back. Now, Robert Kiyosaki, I’m going to pull this up real quick. You’re one of the listeners to see this again here. On Amazon, you wrote a book called Rich Dad, Poor Dad. And most people know you because of that book. That book is an incredible book.

I encourage everybody to buy a copy of that book. Also, you wrote The Rich Dad Guide to Investing. I mean, that thing is so hot. That book, I’m telling you, folks, if you haven’t picked up that book, Rich Dad Guide to Investing, that book is great.

The book you wrote with Donald J. Trump, Why We Want You to Become Rich.

I don’t know if people know about these books. I think some of our listeners do. Some of them don’t.

I’m telling you, if you’re saying, hey, listen, it’s January and you want to get a head start on next year’s Christmas presents, pick up these books, get a copy of The Board Game.

Robert Kiyosaki, I’m going to give you the final word, sir.

Final 60 seconds.

What say you, sir?

I like what Maria Montessori, you know, she was a great educational entrepreneur. She says, what the hand does, the mind remembers.

So in other words, you want to play golf, you better pick up a golf club.

And the reason the board game is so powerful is you have to do all four intelligence, mental, emotional, spiritual, physical. That’s how we learn the best. And then you go to real life.

Robert Kiyosaki.

Thank you so much, sir.

I really do appreciate you investing your most important asset with us, which is your time. Thank you so much. sir. And we’ll see you in Tulsa, Oklahoma, very soon, sir. My honor. I’m looking forward to it, Clay.

Thank you.

Thank you, doctor.

Take care. Bye -bye. So this guy’s like the greatest marketer you’ve ever seen, right? His entire life, Clay Clark, his entire life is marketing. Clay, my honor, my honor to be on your show. And thank you for all you do, I hear.

The ripple effects from you are good ripple effects. You know what I mean? People rave about what they learned from you. So congratulations. Sean, guess what’s happening April 9th and 10th, 2026. Uh, we are probably going to have an amazing business conference here at Tulsa, Russell.

Yes. We’re joined by Tim Tebow. Tim Tebow is going to be joining us right here at the Thrive Time Show world headquarters, June 5th and 6th. He’s a very successful football player, obviously a Heisman award winner, but he’s also a very successful entrepreneur. Now, when you work with real clients, Sean, real clients you really work with to help them grow their companies, do you ever hear a business owner tell you that they didn’t have time to get something done? Every day.

How often is not having enough time a problem for business owners? All the time. It’s almost, it’s like maybe 90 % of the issues as people are trying to grow their company. Well, Tim Tebow is going to come join us here at the in -person Thrive Time Show 2 -Day Interactive Business Workshop. And he’s going to teach us time management and his approach to personal self -discipline and getting things done. Also at the workshop, I’ll put up on the website so people can see it here.

Also at the 2 -Day Interactive Workshop, Sean, we are going to be teaching accounting, systems creation, marketing, human resources, how to hire,

inspire, train and retain great people, accounting, social media advertising, search engine optimization. Sean, what’s the area where most clients ask you for help the most? Is it generating leads?

Is it hiring people? What’s the biggest issue that most business owners have by default before they come to one of our workshops? Well, I think it’s management because time is the most valuable resource for clients. these business owners and being able to manage their time is the first thing. Once they get that under control, then generally the numbers. You know, being able to track their business and be able to make the best decisions based on numbers rather than emotions is a big area.

And we teach all of this stuff at the business conference, particularly you, Clay. You love to hammer on time management. It’s my favorite part of the conference. Now, I’m going to pull this up real quick here, because we’re going to go through it. If you’re not excited, I want to get you excited about what we’re going to cover at the workshop here, OK? OK.

All right. The two -day interactive workshop. This is my 20th year hosting workshops. So I’m telling you folks, we’re in rare form here. So one is the idea of establishing your revenue goals.

I think most entrepreneurs don’t know their revenue goals. Would you agree or am I off my rocker? No, that’s totally a very important point we do with every one of our new clients that come on board is we have to establish the revenue goals. And generally speaking, we have a vague idea, but not an exact idea that can be engineered down into like the daily goals for sales. And so that’s a really big one. even numbers.

What kind of sales do you have to do to even break even?

Third is how many hours per week do you want to work? What is your ideal schedule as an entrepreneur? Box number four, how do you stand out in the clutter of commerce? What makes your company unique from all the different businesses? In a world of brown cows, herds of brown cows, proverbial brown cows, the analogy of brown cows, how can you be the purple cow that stands out? How can you be the

squeaky wheel that gets the oil? Box number five, branding. How do you improve the perception that people have of you, your business, your brand? Box number six, branding. Marketing, your three -legged marketing stool. What is a turnkey way for you and your company to generate leads so you can succeed?

Because if you don’t have any leads, your business will bleed. If you can’t sell, your business will go to hell. You’ve got to generate leads. Sean, how often do business owners by default tell you they have a hard time generating leads? It’s almost all of the time. It’s really a huge struggle.

And many times, they may be creating leads, but just through word of mouth. So they get to a point where we’ve implemented systems, and then they need to create more. leads, but they’ve never had to do it. So there’s a lot of different scenarios where business owners are like, how do you create leads? Something we hammer on at the conference a lot. Box number seven.

Box number seven, create a sales conversion system. Again, box number seven, create a sales conversion system. Sales scripts, recorded calls, one sheets, pre -written emails, lead trackers, all of the sales tools, the sales print pieces, the one sheets, the big screens that you see inside the business, whether you’re a doctor, you’re a dentist, you’re a lawyer, you’ve got to have sales systems in place. We help you with that. Box number eight, what does it cost you to get another customer? Step number eight, what does it cost you to actually acquire a customer?

Step number nine, it’s hard to build organization if you’re not organized.

We’re going to teach you how to create repeatable systems, processes, file organization. Box number 10, we’re going to teach you how to manage people, real people, on the planet Earth. This just in, we’re going to teach you how to manage real people on the planet Earth. Box number 11, how to create a sustainable schedule that works for you and your family. Step number 12, how to create human resources systems for recruiting, hiring, training, and retaining great people.

Box number 13, accounting. This just in, we have to cover accounting. It’s not how much you make. It’s how much you keep. We’re going to cover all the accounting things you need to know. And step 14.

finally. What is the point of even achieving success? We’re going to go over what is the point of even achieving success, how to design a life that you’re excited about, how to design a life where you carve out enough time for your faith, your family, your finance, your fitness, your friendship, your fun, and where you’re going to spend your focused time. We’re going to go through that, all this and more. Now, the workshop, Sean, it’s April 9th and 10th.

It’s a two -day interactive workshop.

And tickets, we always do it. It’s $250 or whatever price that someone can afford. Sean, why do we let people name their price?

Why do we have scholarship tickets available?

if somebody can’t afford the $250 general admission tickets? Well, we don’t want anybody to miss out on it. You know, you could be at a startup phase, or you could be, you know, way along in your business. But we want to make it accessible for everybody.

I think it actually goes back, too, to a story of your dad. And, like, it goes all the way back to how you’ve always done this as a business coach, trying to make sure that, you know, you’re just your average people out there have access to the things that work.

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to 5, Sean, why do we go from 7 to 5 both days? I mean, it’s 10 hours a day, 20 hours of training over two days. Why do we do 10 hours a day, Sean, of back -to -back workshops? We do a 30 -minute teaching session, we do a 15 -minute question -and -answer session, and then we take a break. 30 minutes of teaching, 15 minutes of question -and -answer, then we take a break. Why do we do that format, Sean?

That format is so that we can keep people engaged and not just sitting there listening, but also getting involved.

We really encourage people to ask questions, and that’s really where the juiciness of the conference comes out, is you can put your personal situation and your questions on the board, and Clay will tee off and give you direct advice.

Even without being in our coaching program, you can get direct coaching from Clay.

It’s really a very engaging format.

I enjoy it a lot.

Once again, folks, this event is April 9th and 10th, 2026. Get those tickets at thrivetimeshow . com. Once again, that’s thrivetimeshow . com. Who’s our keynote speaker coming to the conference here, Sean?

Tim Tebow is our keynote speaker.

Sean, question number three, how much does it cost to come to our in -person two -day interactive business workshop right here in Tulsa, Oklahoma?

I think it’s, did you say it’s $250 or whatever you can afford? That’s right, $250 or whatever you can afford. Sean, how do you spell Eric Trump backwards? I -R -E. Ooh, that took a long time. I’ll have to listen to this.

All right, again, that’s Shawn Lohman.

I’m Clay Clark, and inviting you to come join us at the in -person Thrive Time Show two -day interactive workshop.

This event is April 9th and 10th, 2026. Get those tickets at thrivetimeshow . com. Once again, that’s thrivetimeshow . com. Right here in Tulsa, Oklahoma, Tim Tebow, baby.

It’s Tebow time in Tulsa, Russia. Clay Clark is here somewhere.

Where’s my buddy Clay? Clay’s the greatest. I met his goats today. I met his dogs. I met his chickens.

I saw his compound.

He’s like the greatest guy. I ran from his goats, his chickens, his dogs. So this guy is like the greatest marketer you’ve ever seen, right? His entire life, Clay Clark, his entire life is marketing. It’s Luke Erickson here with the Thrive Time Show. As you can see behind me, we’ve got all kinds of energy going on.

People are starting to show up for the conference and it is hot in this place. We got grill guns over here. We’ve got people playing the drums. We’ve got a fire breathing crowd. And man, people are so excited as they come in. My name is Kevin Thomas and the name of our company is MultiClean.

We are a commercial janitorial service and we serve the entire state of Oklahoma. and Kansas and soon to be Arkansas. We have probably grown probably five times. We’ve added, I think when we first started with you, we had 60 to 65 employees and now we have a little over 300 employees. Before we got involved with Thrive Time, we didn’t really have any systems or processes in place. I’ve probably been to Oh, in six, seven years, I’ve probably been to 12 to 13 business conferences.

And amazingly, each time I go, I learn something new and I’m so excited to bring it back and show the team.

4 ,000 % from February to February. Now I can better that. Okay, Clay, I don’t think you know this. I don’t think you know this. I’m pinching myself and if I cry, forgive me. In the last two and a half days, we have have bettered our entire month of February in the last two and a half days.

I started listening to the podcast, became a fan, and then figured out about the workshop. I own an insurance and financial services agency, and I was hoping to learn from the workshop. Systems and processes. I’m big on systems and processes and always learning better ways to run a business more efficiently. The atmosphere is second to none.

It’s a high energy, really cool atmosphere to be around. Contagious, I would say. Just something every entrepreneur, I think, would appreciate and love. I’d say humorous, high energy, and full of substance, which I think is the key. A lot of business coaches or seminars maybe are high on motivation and making you feel good, but don’t have a lot of substance that you can take back and implement, you know, the following Monday. Where his does.

Man, there’s a lot of valuable things. I’m gonna say like, I came to this, this is my second workshop. The first workshop I took back really the, the importance of a group interview. I used to spend hours and hours interviewing people, screening resumes, and that saving my time on that part is valuable. It was that and then the sales scripting that have been two major things just so far.

Man, I think they’re missing out on expert advice from somebody who’s been there, done that, built companies, has learned a lot of lessons. That’s what I’m always looking for is somebody that can learn from, that’s ahead of where I am.

And I think if you choose not to come, you’re missing out on a lot of good advice that could help your business. Hi, this is Charles and Amber Kolaw. We’re the owners of Kolaw Fitness. We heard about Clay Clark through Paul Hood, our CPA. We’ve worked with Clay Clark for the last two years. Clay Clark has helped us take our three locations

three different states and create checklists, workflows, task lists, time blocks for every employee. He’s helped us with creating systems and audits for every department, quantitative scorecards for each department and every position so that everybody has a number. It’s been able to give us a lot of time freedom and financial freedom and peace. of mind to know that everything’s running efficiently. And he’s been helpful with a lot of marketing, search engine optimization, helping us really rank high in Google, and pretty much every area of the business. He’s been very, very helpful.

We would describe the experience of working with Clay as very energetic. He’s full of energy. He’s very encouraging, very motivating, but also accountable. So he keeps us accountable. And we love that accountability. It keeps our drive in the right direction, so we’re not chasing things that aren’t worth spending our time on.

He’s a great coach.

He helps push us on certain areas, helps coach us in certain areas. We’re all emotional creatures, and we go up and down, and he actually will tell us where we’re at, how we can get from there. And even emotionally, when we’re stressed about something, he’ll have a story to relate to. and really helps us in every area of our business and very, very helpful.

I think Clay’s ability to have a whole team behind him that helped him with all of his clients, all his coaching clients, is that it allows Clay to do what he’s really good at, and that’s working one -on -one with the client and coaching them. And then he can have his amazing staff come in and help you accomplish all these goals that you’re setting. And of course, he has all these resources, whether it’s videographers or whether it’s web developers. that they can quickly jump on your project, knock it off. out. He can quickly give you the right coaching.

He’s just got a whole team of people that whatever area you’re lacking in, in your own company, he’s got resources from like video, web design, search engine guys who are just knowledgeable in that. Even though he knows a lot of that stuff, He’s got these capable lieutenants that are ready to just take off and help you get that stuff done. More stuff gets done on a weekly basis than you would on, like, probably most, yeah, than an individual or some other company. We’ve worked with several companies before. It’s just not as many things get done on a weekly basis. It’s been very helpful.

Well, the conferences for me, I’m a slow learner, so I have to learn like over and over again, hear things over and over again. I’ve been to like, I think, eight different conferences, and each time you come, I learn a few new components. Some things are repetitive, but a lot of the stuff just resettles and I get a little bit more depth into each component. So, I mean, I’ve been to eight of them. They’re all super entertaining. He’s very funny, very encouraging.

You get to kind of self -reflect a lot, and a lot of the stuff is really polarizing. personal inventory of yourself and you’ll think like, hey I’ve really got to work on this, really got to work on that. So every time you come I still get a lot of value out of it. And as much as every conference is the same, it’s totally different. So I think we’ll hear stories we haven’t heard before, they’ll have entertainment or he’ll have speakers he didn’t have before. And like you said, you just always catch a different part of the material that maybe you didn’t catch before.

It’s worded differently. And it’s really cool, because some people that you’ve seen like a year ago at a conference, now they’re being showcased as a success story. And you get to see their website. You get to see how their stats and all their metrics have improved and the revenue improved. So it’s really cool to see people that just a year ago that, of course, we’ve been here two years,

that just came, that I met, is now being successful.

It’s really encouraging to see other people accomplish that stuff.

So Clay has helped us optimize our website and helped with really topping the right search engines that we need to make sure that we are very, very competitive with all of our other competitors. Basically, he outlines exactly what you need to be accomplishing and he creates tasks that we have to accomplish and his team has to accomplish. I would say over the last two years, we’ve totally ramped our website. We’re topping Google in every one of our markets. I would say just doing really, really good. I feel very, very confident in all of our future locations and making sure that we’re in front of the ideal and likely buyer.

It’s very encouraging. It’s important to me that to know when I’m working with Clay, you know, I’ve been in business for a while and met with him even when I already had three, three businesses in three different states. And to know that what I share with him is staying private. He’s not sending that out to anybody else. To know that when he’s working with me, he’s only working with one other, no other gyms that are in direct competition with me. It’s very encouraging to have somebody you can trust and rely on that he isn’t going to like somehow.

tell your trade secrets or give information away. Just really awesome that he’s a trustworthy guy, really cares about you as a client. For us, it’s been a complete mind freedom, because Clay has helped us create a lot of different documents and one sheets for every department, put quantitative scorecards to each department. And so for us, it’s been very encouraging. It gives us peace. As an entrepreneur, it’s stressful.

You go to bed at night, you’re worried, like, did we cover this? Did we cover that? So he helps extract everything out of your brain, everything from your business, put it into document creation, put it into checklists and workflows for every person in each department, and make sure that everything’s getting done every week, every month, and funnel that all into Excel. or Key Performance Indicators, as you can see, on a weekly basis to make sure you’re moving the needle in the right area of your company. So you’re very encouraging and give you a complete mind, freedom, and peace to know that that stuff’s created so you’re easy to duplicate and scale your company.

Right. And then we can spend time doing what we’re really good at. I honestly believe everybody needs a coach. I think we’re all inherently lazy and selfish and carnal. I truly believe that humans are humans. We’d rather, if we’re standing, we’d rather sit.

If we’re sitting, we’d rather lay down. And if we’re laying down, we’d rather be asleep. So to have somebody that challenges you, have real active candor and be honest with you on every aspect of your company is really, really encouraging to me because I want to know, I want to work on what we’re weak at. I want to see any areas that we’re not doing well in and see his perspective from a third party because you can look at your own business and just see the good. It’s good to have somebody who’s done this with hundreds of companies. You know, really look at your company, reflect on your company, and see like little chinks in the armor to make sure you cover that up so your competition can’t get to you and that you’re successful overall in the big picture.

Yes, I would recommend Clay Clark because he is a great friend, great encourager. To me, he’s been a wonderful friend. He’s also, you can tell he cares. And he also, he has this wealth of knowledge. He’s worked with so many different companies and different businesses. He could take a concept that he’s used before in the past with somebody totally different industry and see how it would work perfectly for you in whatever niche market you’re in or whatever type of service you’re providing.

And so his brain is just a wealth of knowledge and just to have that type of perspective on, you know, as a part of your team and your own company is huge, super valuable. So I would definitely encourage people to use him. But one thing is you’ve got to be coachable. You gotta be wanting to get feedback. You gotta be wanting to really grow your company. You gotta want to put that extra 10 hours a week to working on your business and not just in your business.

And so, yes, I would recommend it to anybody who’s wanting to grow their company and provide great systems, checklists, workflows, great encouragement, and have accountability. I first heard about Clay lender here in town who had told me what a great job he had been doing for them and actually noticed he was driving a Lamborghini all of a sudden so I was willing to listen. In my career I’ve sold a little over 800 million dollars in real estate. So honestly, I thought I kind of knew everything about marketing and homes. And then I met Clay. And my perception of what I knew and what I could do definitely changed.

After doing $800 million in sales over a 15 -year career, I really thought I knew what I was doing. I’ve been managing a large team of salespeople for the last 10 years here with Shaw Homes. And I mean, we’ve been a company that’s been in business for 35 years. We’ve become one of the largest builders in the Tulsa area, and that was without Clay. So when I came to know Clay, I really thought, man, there’s not much more I need to know, but I’m willing to listen. The interesting thing is our internet leads from our website Has actually in a four month period of time has gone from somewhere around 10 to 15 leads in a month to 180 Internet leads in a month.

Just from the few things that he’s shown us how to implement that I honestly probably never would have come up with on my own so. I got a lot of good things to say about the system that Clay put in place with us. And it’s just been an incredible experience. I am very glad that we met and had the opportunity to work with Clay. So the interaction with the team and with Clay on a weekly basis is honestly very enlightening. One of the things that I love about Clay’s perspective on things is that he doesn’t come from my industry.

He’s not somebody who’s in the home building industry. I’ve listened to all the experts in my field. Our company has paid for me to go to seminars, international builder shows, all kinds of places where I’ve had the opportunity to learn from the experts in my industry. But the thing that I found working with Clay is that he comes from such a broad spectrum of working with so many different types of businesses that he has a perspective that’s difficult for me to gain because I get so entrenched in what I do, I’m not paying attention to what other leading industry experts are doing. And Clay really brings that perspective for me. It is very valuable time every week when I get that hour with him.

From my perspective, the reason that any business owner who’s thinking about hooking up with thrive needs to definitely consider it. is because the results that we’ve gotten in a very short period of time are honestly monumental. It has really exceeded my wildest expectation of what he might be able to do. I came in skeptical because I’m very pragmatic, and as I’ve gone through the process over just a few months, I’ve realized it’s probably one of the best moves we’ve ever made. I think a lot of people probably feel like they don’t need a business or marketing consultant. because they maybe are a little bit prideful and like to think they know everything.

I know that’s how I felt coming in. I mean, we’re a big company that’s definitely one of the largest in town. And so we kind of felt like we knew what we were doing. And I think for a lot of people, they let their ego get in the way of listening to somebody that might have a better or different perspective than theirs. I would just really encourage you, if you’re thinking about working with clay, I mean, the thing is, it’s month to month. Go give it a try and see what happens.

I think in the 35 -year history of Shaw Homes, this is probably the best thing that’s happened to us. And I know if you give them a shot, I think you’ll feel the same way. I know for me the thing I would have missed out on if I didn’t work with Clay is I would have missed out on literally an 1800 % increase in our internet leads going from 10 a month to 180 a month. That would have been a huge financial decision to just decide not to give it a shot. I would absolutely recommend Clay Clark to anybody who’s thinking about working with somebody in marketing. I would skip over anybody else you were thinking about and I would go straight to Clay and his team.

I guarantee you’re not going to regret it because we sure haven’t.

My name is Danielle Sprick, and I am the founder of D. Sprick Realty Group here in Tulsa, Oklahoma. After being a stay -at -home mom for 12 years and my three kids started school and they were in school full -time, I was at a crossroads and trying to decide, what do I want to do? My degree and my background is in education, but after being a mom and staying home and all of that, just didn’t have a passion for it like I once did. My husband suggested real estate. He’s a home builder.

So real estate and home building go hand in hand. And we just rolled with it. I love people. I love working with people. I love the building relationships. But one thing that was really difficult for me was the business side of things, the processes and the advertising and marketing.

I knew that I did not have what I needed to make that what it should be. So I reached out to Clay at that time. And he and his team have been extremely instrumental in helping us build our brand, help market our business, our agents, the homes that we represent. Everything that we do is a direct line from Clay and his team and all that they’ve done for us. We launched our brokerage our real estate brokerage eight months ago. And in that time we’ve gone from myself and one other agent to just this week we signed on our 16th agent.

We have been blessed with the fact that we right now have just over 10 million in pending transactions. Three years ago, I never would have even imagined that I would be in this role that I’m in today, building a business, having 16 agents. But I have to give credit where credit’s due.

And Clay and his team and the business coaching that they’ve offered us has been huge. It’s been instrumental in what we’re doing.

Don’t ever limit your vision.

When you dream big, big things happen.

I started a business because I couldn’t work for anyone else. I do things my way.

I do what I think is in the best interest of my community. I don’t answer to insurance companies. I don’t answer to large corporate organizations. I answer to my patient and that’s it. My thought when I opened my clinic was I can do this all myself. I don’t need additional outside help in many ways.

I mean, I went to medical school. I can figure this out.

But it was a very, very steep learning curve. Within the first six months of opening my clinic, I had a $63 ,000 embezzlement. I lost multiple employees.

Clay helped us weather the storm of some of the things that are just a lot of people experience, especially in the medical world. He was instrumental in helping with the specific written business plan. He’s been instrumental in hiring good quality employees, using the processes that he outlines for getting in good talent, which is extremely difficult. He helped me in securing the business loans. He helped me with web development and search engine optimization. We’ve been able to really keep a steady stream of clients coming in because they found us on the web.

With everything that I encountered, everything that I experienced, I quickly learned it is worth every penny to have someone in your team that can walk you through and even avoid some of the pitfalls that are almost invariable in starting your own business. I’m Dr. Chad Edwards and I own Revolution Health and Wellness Clinic. Clay, my honor, my honor to be on your show. And thank you for all you do. I hear the ripple effects from you are good ripple effects. You know what I mean?

people rave about what they learn from you. So congratulations. So I’ve been working in this K &E’s company for about five years now and we started working with Thrive not too long ago. We’re expecting maybe $250 ,000 this year to, we’re at $400 ,000. That’s what we’re gonna hit or exceed. So we’re pretty excited about that.

Plus just listening to what they have to say, their hiring process has just really been incredible as far as finding good quality help and just the accountability of meeting up with them weekly and like such good insight, the resources that they have for specific business questions. It’s all been really incredible. It’s been a great experience. So I’d recommend it to anybody. What I’ve seen from Clay and his group at Thrive is they’ll give you a simple system. And it’s the simple systems are the ones that people can wrap their brain around.

They’re the ones that people can work with on a day to day basis. Hi there, my name is Stephanie Pipkin. I am 24 years old and I own Black River Falls Cleaning Services. We opened in April of 2019 and it is now mid -June of 2020. So I wanted to talk today about the success and growth I have achieved by implementing the Proven Path with Clay Clark’s team and my business coach, Luke, from Thrive Time. It has been insane, to say the least.

I started working with them in mid -February of this year, so we’re about four months in of working together, and it has completely transformed my business in pretty much every facet. So I’m going to check my notes here. So in four months, my leads have tripled. I was getting probably like two leads a week. Now I’m getting more in the like 10 to 15 leads a week. I have doubled my number of employees.

I’m now hitting the highest revenue weeks in the history of the company week to week it seems like. We went from about six appointments today as our highest in February to now 14 to 15 appointments a day. Hiring quality employees has become much simpler and less stressful by using their systems for hiring.

I typically only get maybe two complaints a month, if that, and everybody shows up to work. I just have really high quality employees now, especially in something people typically consider a high turnover type of work, you know, cleaning houses, cleaning businesses. I have amazing employees now and I get rid of the ones who are not so amazing and bring on new ones because of, you know, group interviews, and interviewing every single week. It’s just been great and I don’t waste as much time on… low -quality candidates anymore.

And your coach will hold you accountable, which I love.

Again, the tough love is really great. Luke’s like a stern father figure, but he’s also nice, but also stern when he needs to be when I’m being lazy and not doing the things that I know I need to do because I don’t want to do them. So that’s just great. Worth every penny. I mean, I’d pay him a million dollars a month if I can, and maybe someday I’ll be able to, but I would just say go for it.

If it seems like a good fit, just go for it. Do what they say, even if you think it’s stupid or ridiculous, just do what they say because it’ll work. You know, people, when they look at my business, you know, people in my town, they think I’m lucky. They think I’m just, you know, things just happen for me. And you know, maybe I am lucky, but it has a lot to do with hard work and, you know, perseverance and, you know, working till you cry sometimes. That’s just being an entrepreneur, which if you’re a business owner, you understand that.

But it’s having this these systems in place of you know, of course, I’m going to be successful. It’s it’s an absolute because I have all this stuff in the background happening and I have Luke and Clay and everybody on their team working really hard to make sure that I’m a success and I can tell that they are just so excited every single week when I’m having all these wins and things like that. They’re so excited for me. So it just, it’s the best thing ever and I would suggest to anybody to work with them. So sorry for the long But I just had so much to say, and I could go on for hours probably about how amazing they are.

But thank you to Clay and Luke and the entire team there, everything you guys have done for me. And I am so excited to continue to work with you for years to come. Thanks so much for watching. My saying is, if it’s important to you, hire a coach. And I think that’s one of the reasons people are not successful is they eat a cheeseburger instead of hiring a coach. You know what I mean?

My coach pushes me. They’re younger than me. They push harder. They’re trained. And as my rich dad always said, you know, amateurs don’t have a coach, but professionals always have coaches. So I’ve always had coaches for whatever was important.

My rich dad was one of those persons. I wanted to learn how to play Monopoly in real life. So he was my coach.

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